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Switched to Mullvad for VPN, Baikal for calendar and contacts, Tuta for professional mail, and considering Bitwarden or Buttercup for a password manager
Wow, that’s so many different services to splinter one Proton account into. I was thinking about it too, but that sounds exhausting.
For sure a lot of advantages to not having all your eggs in one basket.
I use Bitwarden coming from LastPass. It’s great for me and my fam.
Not even Bluesky, they went straight to Reddit. Shame.
It’s a sad day when “you can find us over on Discord” is a better option.
At least reddits getting selfaware enough that every other post is ppl getting mad at ppl telling them to google since those posts are what they find off google, or they’ve already googled and found nothing.
The immediate assumption that everyone is an idiot who hasnt tried to google is annoying but used to be valid, ppl got lazy there (including me) and would just ask questions that were easily googleable, the issue is those posts are now first on google and none of them have answers lol
I wonder if Andy was watching fuckface destroy Unity, and just thought to himself, What could I say or do to aggressively power-fuck the Proton brand?
It’s also worth pointing out the fact that they offer free services; most likely, your data is their real product. That’s to be expected with, say, a social media platform, but a VPN? That is a HUGE security threat. I’m just waiting for the proton security leak. The amount of sketchy data will be choice.
No. They’re a non profit with a specific mission to further the enhancement of provacy. Under Swiss law they’re legally obligated to adhere to this. Which means they can’t collect user data willy nilly and sell it.
Also, it wouldn’t make sense for a non-profit organization to profit from selling user data.
Non-profits make profit all the time. The key difference between a for-profit and a non-profit is that a for-profit company takes that money and gives it to its owners, and a non-profit is legally required to reinvest that money in its organization or missions.
Of course, non-profits can also do shitty things like nepo hires with vastly inflated salaries, throw parties and extravagant galas for “fundraising” and spent almost nothing on the charity aspect.
This is why lots of rich fucks setup their own “philanthropy” organizations. They can dump their wealth into tax free and pay themselves and their heirs ungodly sums while paying for villas/jets/etc from the untaxed non-profit.
How about you go read about the foundation before making any judgements.
I’m well aware of the foundation, and the fact that they have left him on the board with zero consequences or controls.
Stating your ethics and then not enforcing them makes the statement pointless.
If your want to be hard headed about this, that’s your problem.
Yan isn’t the only guy on the board of directors. The others are pretty fucking credible and knowledgeable people on the topic of privacy. They all make the decisions togetherness. And im pretty certain they’ll have the last word and steer Proton in the right direction.
And again, no, it’s not because they have a free tier that they’ll collect and sell your private information. That goes against the core value of Proton and its directors.
Is it only me or is there some bandwagon effect on Proton hate these days?
I get it that everyone, me included, thought that sucking up to donald is a shit move, but that’s about it. Proton is good.
Totally. People are exaggerating. Proton really is a good service and the only real answer to Google where you have everything under one account.
“State your ethics and then stand by them” is being hard headed?
When the above is a bar too high for you to reach, that’s a you problem, mate.
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Stating your ethics and then not enforcing them makes the statement pointless.
Explain to me what ethics did they not enforce?
Hint: none.
Switzerland is not the us though
I worked for multiple non-profits that made a profit. That’s not how this works. It’s not the function, it’s the cost.
The bottom line is that Proton does not collect your data to sell it for profit.
Why wouldn’t they? Especially after the lasafare opinions expressed by their CEO.
They legally can’t. Period.
What if you stored the data in an unregulated country? Check out their career page.
Proton’s revenue comes from paid subscriptions.
They still offer free services, though.
Payed for by subscriptions. Protons free offerings (namely, the VPN) are severely crippled. The free tier VPN is almost trial like to sell you on the full product. I also haven’t seen any of those youtuber sponsored -95% off deals other VPN providers have. Proton’s pricing isn’t exactly cheap which signals they do sell it at actual market rate instead of offering a cheap service which may or may not be subsidized by selling your data.
Any alternative free VPN’s
If you aren’t the customer, you are for sure the product. Even then, sometimes you are both.
Nothing good is free.
I’ve been pretty happy with PIA.
Honestly they should be using https://publer.com/ or something similar. Makes publishing and maintenance of social media very easy. If you have a large org it makes sense to publish to multiple platforms.
There’s not much point in “post and ghosting” to platform if you’re not going to engage with its’ users. You might as well just direct people to your blog instead.
I agree!
Other “like” tools to publer have comment/reply options so it just goes to the HR/publicist/etc… I used to be part of a fortune 500. Its the only way to actually keep up with anything. Keyword finding, etc…etc…Its all automated nowadays. Im actually not sure about publer specifically on this so im not going to say its possible or not.
At this point, most have some sort of Mastodon integration since the API was pretty simple to pull in.
This might sound crazy but this is way worse to me than the CEO simping for orange man. At least for Trump he has a semi plausible excuse.
Reposting stuff on Mastodon or Bluesky barely requires any additional effort. And I cannot think of a good reason to close abandon the free publicity when they already have it set up.
Red flag… Do they tools to migrate ?
And I’d have thought the potential customers segment are exactly the Mastodon users.
(Re)Posting and not engaging with the community is not free publicity, is bad publicity. They don’t have the resources (according to them) do to the latter, and therefore they choose not to do the former.
Shows their priorities by not choosing an open platform.
They have tools that let you cross-post effortlessly, so that’s strange.
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I think the reason is that every time they post something, someone there points out the Andy Yen thing. Thats basically the only comments. So its detrimental to their business.
This is most likely what is the issue and they are never going to be able to fix this on a platform like that
So first taking Trump’s side and now that…
Agreeing with one statement doesn’t mean you side with all the points of a person/party.
Andy Yen is an idiot though, not going to lie about that one
While I understand the concern around not wanting to support Maga or far right leaning extremists. I take somewhat of a net neutral approach to this topic. Just because some company isn’t doing something I like doesn’t mean they haven’t produced a good product. For instance people whine and bitch all the time about Apple using child labor but that doesn’t stop most people from owning a. IPhone because we like iphones. Amazon is a crazy huge company that has time and time again treated thier employees like trash and yet we still use amazon prime. What are we going to do if Farmers and slaughter houses all vote for Trump? Stop buying groceries? No. Most people only care when it’s convenient to care. We don’t really want change or progress because to be honest most of us aren’t going to or want to take up arms and start another civil war all over again. The arguments and fighting we have in the states is nothing new. We’ll stay silent and continue are word vomit on social platforms while the world eats us alive because really trying would be too hard. That’s the truth.
That doesn’t take lot ressource for communication on both social network.
I’ll take a guess that they are going back to Reddit so they can control what gets posted and shown to others. They got railed on Mastodon following the drama, which is probably why they’re leaving.
It depends how they are doing it.
People learned years ago that there is a big difference between microblogs (twitter), blogs (facebook and tumblr), and message boards (reddit). And there are major differences even within those. The post you make for tumblr and the post you make for facebook are targeting very different audiences. Which IS time consuming for a good community manager and is shitty 100 character blog posts for someone’s nephew.
From checking out their bluesky, it looks like proton is pulling out of all the microblogs in favor of just reddit (https://bsky.app/profile/proton.me). Which sucks but is “fine”. And it is likely more that positive engagement on Mastodon was just too low to even be worth multi-posting once every two weeks. Which… is something a lot of not shitty companies have decided to be the case.
That said: I didn’t check twitter because fuck that shit. If they are still super active there then, yeah, ridiculously “sus”.
Thank i didn’t see from this perspective. On mastodon the character limit is very small so i didn’t understand how difficult it could be as i would do the same communication everywhere to stay consistent.
In my opinion, they wanted to avoid the backfire from their ceo supporting Trump.
You’re welcome to believe whatever makes you happy in this post truth hellscape we live in.
But reddit (generally left on drugs, center-right on social issues) tears into them pretty regularly for that. Bluesky seems to be left-center-left-ish and is also a place where people can tear into the account. And while there are much better moderation tools on both platforms, that still doesn’t protect them for the equivalent of a trending hashtag or /all post.
We can only speculate but considering plenty of people have criticized the mastodon community over the past year or so (Alec from Technology Connections being a great example where, if anything, he should be our patron saint rather than the guy who gets harassed any time his posts get surfaced by The Algorithm) AND basically the entire “internet” decided on bluesky… it likely really is just cost cutting and not caring enough to monitor the mastodon account.
Also, it looks like they have a Threads account anyway? https://www.threads.net/@protonprivacy. Which means that the Mastodon users can still follow them? I forgot what the status on federation with facebook ended up being.
It’s kinda weird though. Mastodon can have a pretty high character limit, on par with a reddit comment length.
The instance my author account is on has it set to a much higher limit. Enough so that I can post a short story in two, maybe three sections.
If it’s the lowest possible character limit that’s the problem, they could definitely get around that with damn near zero effort.
Which is whatever, I get that streamlining social media reduces time costs, I’m more questioning the one they chose in terms of how much upkeep it’ll be compared to other options. Reddit is going to have a lot more bullshit to wade through.
Lmao k bye Proton
I’m searching for a safe and cheap alternative for my own domain, but it’s hard! And I don’t want to give money to American companies.
tuta.com is great for me so far
Tuta Mail is free for personal use, though you must accept a few limitations. The free edition lets you send and receive all the secure messages you want, and it includes a secure calendar. Searching encrypted email is limited—with the free edition, you can only search messages up to a month old. Paying 36 euros per year for a Revolutionary subscription ($38.65 as of this writing) removes that search limitation, lets you have multiple calendars, and adds features including filtering rules and 15 alias email addresses (more about those later). It also raises the storage for your messages from 1GB to 20GB.
yea I just went with a paid plan right off the bat since I have a custom domain, has been totally fine
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Tuta takes like 48 hours to respons, slower than Proton who takes about 12-24 hours, but as long as the response is under 1 week, its fine by me.
Are you talking about support request response time here? Or what response time?
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Mailbox.org located in Germany and run by Peer Heinlein. You can use your own Domain with it just fine
Namecrane, I think they are Canadian
I been using Canadian webhost hosterbox.com for several years. Been very happy with them.
Gross. I’m slowly moving from ProtonMail to Port87, which is kind of embarrassing because I made Port87 and launched it almost two years ago. Switching email providers is hard though. You have to update everything.
Unless you use a custom domain. That way you only need to update everything once.
Yep. Definitely worth the ten bucks a year. Also it lets you get your own DMARC reports, which can be useful sometimes.
Is there a free DMARC reports analyzer? I don’t want to pay for a premium service (it’s my personal email, after all), and I don’t like Postmark free service.
I don’t know. I just read the XML. It’s pretty easy to read. I’m sure there’s a tool out there though.
techlore talked about this is their weekly livestream
to summarize he thinks it’s got something to do with people on mastdodon bashing hate to the proton account there.
Sad, but I’m largely indifferent to this.
I cancelled my subscription because of technical reasons, but now I can add political reasons on top.
