• Yttra@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    HDR isn’t all that great for gaming yet, in my opinion. It takes too much tweaking just to get it working, because apparently games/proton still aren’t able to natively pass that metadata to Wayland?

    Running every applicable game or all of Steam through Gamescope brings its own problems with how it handles the window, so I end up never using it at all. I just want it to be as simple as it is on Windows, man! 😩

    Also, VRR seems to make my screen flicker at an unnoticeably-high-but-still-irritating rate at random whenever I alt+tab, never figured that out yet…

    Finally, I do wish there was a simpler, more paint.net-like editor rather than GIMP, and I’m sure it’s out there somewhere, but otherwise basically every thing on that list of features works well enough for me.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I know NVIDIA gets a lot of shit, but I’ve honestly never encountered a problem after using nvidia + Linux for well over a decade. Sure, it can be picky when it comes to kernel version, but deciding on a kernel is part of initial setup of a proper system anyway.

      • xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        For real?? 😓 I was rockin a 3080ti on a 4k panel for a bit there and Wayland was impossible to run on Debian-KDE. Like as soon as I got to desktop everything stuttered in slow motion, dpi was janky as hell, and wouldn’t respond to DPI config changes… And that was on a fresh install from Debian’s KDE installation media! 🤔 did ya’ll have to do any tinkering or was Wayland cruising for ya outta the box?

        Had to sell that card as I got tf outta the US anyways (been maining my steam Deck on a dock, which has been fun!), but I’m thinking I’ll go AMD for my next build. VR & Wayland are way better on an AMD GPU, from what I hear!

      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Same here. I really don’t know what people do with their machines. I’ve had numerous nvidia gpus for ages without trouble (and litteraly decades of linux).

        Never on laptops though, maybe that’s where problems arise.

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            2 months ago

            There may be a lot of reasons why the problems don’t apply to you guys. Perhaps you just use nouveau. Perhaps you prefer to not use cutting edge hardware. You might stuck to a distro that did an exceptional job. Perhaps it’s also a little bit of selective perception (you might fix something that appears tiny to you, but is a system breaker for others who intimately familiar with Linux).

            What I can say is, after using both desktops and laptops with many different distros for about a decade and now helping my family at moving over to Linux, that there absolutely are a thousand ways for the Nvidia driver to break. On one machine it decided to stop working with Wayland after a kernel upgrade after working fine with it beforehand. On another one the driver utility of Mint failed to install the driver. And on my laptop the driver failed due to Nvidia screwing up their repo for Tumbleweed with faulty dependencies. Also, does “Nvidia repo went offline for half a day, preventing setting up a new system” count? (It’s hosted by Nvidia)

            It’s good to hear you lucked out, however for many users and distro maintainers those drivers are an absolute pain. Assumingly also for Nvidia given they began working on a completely new driver.

        • Russ@bitforged.spaceEnglish
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          2 months ago

          For me, my crime was trying to use Wayland with an Nvidia card before the explicit sync support was added in.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    What Debian based distro with systemd and KDE but without snap could be recommended for use in offices, companies?

      • DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca
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        2 months ago

        Its funny how Debian is rock solid on its own, but there are several distros that claim to be based on Debian, but significantly better (without actually being better for even the most inexperienced users).

        Which is the exact opposite of Arch, where there are several distros that make it actually usable for the average person (EOS user BTW).

      • EddyBot@discuss.tchncs.de
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        2 months ago

        Debian stable has the “issue” of having pretty old KDE Plasma and Gnome versions which still miss a lot of the great Wayland features like HDR support, proper VRR support on multi-monitor with different refreshrates or proper fractional scaling
        just a heads up since some people actually were waiting for this to land on linux
        (and you can’t update them via newer Flatpaks)

  • rovingnothing29@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Linux has been ready since 2008. Literally not had a single real problem since Ubuntu 7.10 kept turning my monitor off while booting. Everything just works and has for 17 years now.

    Every problem I see people have now (IRL not online) is ‘I don’t like the default theme’ tier nonsense.

    • wischi@programming.dev
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      2 months ago

      It might be nonsense to you, but that’s the first thing people see. No matter how amazing you business is, if our business card is a handwritten phone number on a piece of toilet paper, nobody will call.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Yup. If the theme is causing a mental hang up for laymen, then it’s an issue whether you agree with it or not.

        But I suspect it’s more than that, and Linux stans are playing down the shitty UI.

      • rovingnothing29@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Works on Grampa’s machine and he can’t even figure out how how to unlock an iPhone. Which is ‘stare at it’ last I checked.

      • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        This is unfortunately very common when interacting with Linux users. I’ve had general issues on Linux that never happened on Windows, and you mostly just get replies saying it works for them and everything is dandy. That’s great! It’s not how I use MY computer though, so…

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I get your point, and it is a fair criticism of how these discussions tend to go. That said, I think it goes both ways. I’ve had problems on Windows I didn’t have on Linux and/or Mac. None of them are perfect. They all have their unique problems.

          • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            I think the main difference is that I never see Windows users say that “Windows is just SO great, you have GOT to install it right nooooooowwww!” nor Mac users. But Linux users will gladly rant and rave about their distro to normal people who are just now hearing about Linux for the first time, then get upset when that person doesn’t even know how to use a terminal command.

            But then again, I only have myself in my life that has any sort of interest in tech, so maybe there are and I just have never experienced it.

    • Grass@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      as far as I know you still have to set environment variables and use gamescope with a flag to enable it for games, but general desktop stuff anything with kde and I think also gnome will have a checkbox in the display settings.

    • azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Every single one that ships Wayland compositor that supports it. I’d say „finished” is still a bit of a stretch though, since HDR support in apps is still quite limited and the only way to play Windows games with HDR is via Gamescope.

      • wischi@programming.dev
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        2 months ago

        A what compositor - try to explain to people, that just want to open a freaking word document, what you just said. Explain to them why libre office completely messes up the formating. “Via gamescope”, “Wayland”, “wine” whatever. Doesn’t sound ready to me.

          • wischi@programming.dev
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            2 months ago

            Have you ever opened a word document that’s more than just a single unformated paragraph on libre office. I know it’s not a “Linux” issue, but people don’t care. Of over 80% of the world uses Windows and Microsoft Office and the Word document somebody sent me looks completely messed up an the inlined table is all over the place or the line break happens on a different row than on the original document it’s not ready. And don’t say “pdf”. People don’t care. Karen could open it on her PC with a double click on her machine and on your machine it’s completely broken, why should I sent you a pdf. I just sent the same document to Karen and it worked perfectly.

            My point is that Linux Desktop is far from “ready” for regular people.

        • girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          Stick with Gnome or KDE if you’re looking for polished features that you don’t need to mess with on CLI. But I think the commenter was just saying the app needs to support HDR as well (both Windows and Linux).

        • Freefall@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          That is a disconnect the Linux community has. A complete lack of understanding of how little everyday, well known, base terminology is understood by newbies asking questions. They want to help, but are very bad at it until the asked has a certain level of understanding, and people don’t want to make it over that hump without help. It has always been a roadblock into onboarding more Linux users, and a wall many bounce off of.

          • azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Yes, because back when I was learning almost 20 years ago I was able to google terms and read stuff for myself and it was also requirement for posting on forums, yet I was still getting a lot of help from the community. Times has changed it seems, so did the culture. Should I always assume ignorance and lack of interest? And now before I saw your comment I responded more comprehensively anyway, because why not, I’m not mad or anything. Should I take more time to write the response the first time around? Uh maybe idk

        • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          2 months ago

          “Linux totally does this thing!”

          “Cool, I want to use Linux to do that, what do I need to make it work?”

          *Gestures vaguely at nothing in particular, refuses to elaborate, leaves.*

        • CptVimes@infosec.pub
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          2 months ago

          And do you really think that someone who just want to open a word document need to know about HDR ? Sure, if you want to dig into details, will become way more complex, but this kind of use is the exception more than the rules among PC user

          • snowe@programming.dev
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            2 months ago

            anyone that wants to use their computer for basic things like netflix or watching any content at all will notice the difference. They won’t be able to tell you it’s HDR, but they will think “why does this look worse than it did on windows”?

        • azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Also Hyprland… Yes, that’s the key - the desktop, not the distribution, though the „stable” distros don’t yet ship stuff new enough for this.

  • Kagu@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Can someone more plugged in than me show me what I gotta do to get that ‘Discord Wayland sharing’ working? I literally installed Vencord a month ago because every time I tried to share a window or my screen on discord it would hard crash.

  • JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    I haven’t made the switch yet for the gaming PC because of Apex Legends, Fornite, and Valorant. Also, my Fanatec peripherals don’t work with Linux. Also, Nvidia frame gen doesn’t currently appear supported.

  • JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    I agree with Linus Torvalds. Linux is too fragmented. This makes consistent software deployment and support expensive and far too varied. Maintaining documentation alone requires an unlimited number of distros. From a user’s perspective, I really think Linux needs a universal install method like .exe. No user should ever need to use the CLI install software, no matter their distribution. Radarr, for example, is a very popular home media server application. It is one-click install on Windows. It is fucked on Linux.

  • Aeri@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Requirement: let me play the video games I want to play that have anticheat

    A stiff requirement

  • HeckGazer@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?

    • BassTurd@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I’m jumping on the kde train. The experience has been solid since plasma 6 and the Wayland jump last year, especially if you are already stuck in the Nvidia family.

    • _carmin@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      openSUSE or Fedora. Both distros are top notch with either KDE or Gnome.

    • Hubi@feddit.org
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      2 months ago

      KDE. It’s working very well with Wayland. I’ve been using both on my daily driver for a year now and it’s come a long way since then. It was still a bit rough in the beginning but now I can’t see myself going back. It’s pretty polished.

      • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I’m not a Linux noob, but I’ve been out of the scene for a few years.

        Recently tried debian with KDE and Wayland on a modern PC with a 3060. Just a default install.

        My mouse could barely track across the screen, it was very choppy and stuttered like crazy.

        This was in the last 6 months. I got it fixed by switching to a different compositor, but I shouldn’t have had to do that. Even then I found YouTube to be super laggy.

        It’s just not ready.

        • Hubi@feddit.org
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          2 months ago

          I had the exact same experience with Debian. The thing is, Debian is so many versions behind, it’s really no surprise that you thought it wasn’t ready yet. Try a less “stable” distro, you’ll be surprised.

          • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I’m glad there are ways to get it working, and thank you for sharing it, but this doesn’t qualify as “it just works, why are you idiots not switching from Windows when Linux just works”.

            This is directly why a lot of people don’t take the arguments that Linux is ready for the average user seriously.

            • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
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              2 months ago

              Yea like I said I’m not a total noob. I have built my own Linux From Scratch distro which is something I think most of the users on here would struggle with. All I’m saying is that it’s not a totally smooth and hiccup free experience for normal people. I’m a grown man now and sometimes I just want shit to work cause I only have like an hour to game in the evening.

              I will try Linux again for my daily driver once Win10 support is gone but I will likely try something other than Debian as others have suggested. Something more gaming centric.

        • swag_money@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          i am a Linux noob. i installed debian KDE wayland with an Nvidia card just like you.

          i experienced similar issues. i couldn’t set my refresh rate above 60Hz, my screen was really dim and stuttering, and video playback was lagging. worst of all my Minecraft framerate was abysmal! (<20fps default settings)

          i read the dang wiki and got everything running smoothly in an afternoon

          it’s ready as fuck

          • snowe@programming.dev
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            2 months ago

            i read the dang wiki and got everything running smoothly in an afternoon

            that means it’s not ready…

      • Da Bald Eagul@feddit.nl
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        2 months ago

        I’ve been using KDE Plasma with Wayland for a couple of months and it’s been really good. The apps that don’t support it properly open as an X11 window inside Wayland, which is perfectly fine. I’m not switching back to X11 either haha