What Debian based distro with systemd and KDE but without snap could be recommended for use in offices, companies?
How about Debian?
Thanks for the laugh
Debian stable has the “issue” of having pretty old KDE Plasma and Gnome versions which still miss a lot of the great Wayland features like HDR support, proper VRR support on multi-monitor with different refreshrates or proper fractional scaling
just a heads up since some people actually were waiting for this to land on linux
(and you can’t update them via newer Flatpaks)Its funny how Debian is rock solid on its own, but there are several distros that claim to be based on Debian, but significantly better (without actually being better for even the most inexperienced users).
Which is the exact opposite of Arch, where there are several distros that make it actually usable for the average person (EOS user BTW).
Debian testing or maybe Fedora (not Debian based)
Which distro has full HDR support?
as far as I know you still have to set environment variables and use gamescope with a flag to enable it for games, but general desktop stuff anything with kde and I think also gnome will have a checkbox in the display settings.
Every single one that ships Wayland compositor that supports it. I’d say „finished” is still a bit of a stretch though, since HDR support in apps is still quite limited and the only way to play Windows games with HDR is via Gamescope.
A what compositor - try to explain to people, that just want to open a freaking word document, what you just said. Explain to them why libre office completely messes up the formating. “Via gamescope”, “Wayland”, “wine” whatever. Doesn’t sound ready to me.
People that just want to open word documents don’t need HDR. What’s your point?
Have you ever opened a word document that’s more than just a single unformated paragraph on libre office. I know it’s not a “Linux” issue, but people don’t care. Of over 80% of the world uses Windows and Microsoft Office and the Word document somebody sent me looks completely messed up an the inlined table is all over the place or the line break happens on a different row than on the original document it’s not ready. And don’t say “pdf”. People don’t care. Karen could open it on her PC with a double click on her machine and on your machine it’s completely broken, why should I sent you a pdf. I just sent the same document to Karen and it worked perfectly.
My point is that Linux Desktop is far from “ready” for regular people.
“Linux totally does this thing!”
“Cool, I want to use Linux to do that, what do I need to make it work?”
*Gestures vaguely at nothing in particular, refuses to elaborate, leaves.*
Stick with Gnome or KDE if you’re looking for polished features that you don’t need to mess with on CLI. But I think the commenter was just saying the app needs to support HDR as well (both Windows and Linux).
And do you really think that someone who just want to open a word document need to know about HDR ? Sure, if you want to dig into details, will become way more complex, but this kind of use is the exception more than the rules among PC user
anyone that wants to use their computer for basic things like netflix or watching any content at all will notice the difference. They won’t be able to tell you it’s HDR, but they will think “why does this look worse than it did on windows”?
That is a disconnect the Linux community has. A complete lack of understanding of how little everyday, well known, base terminology is understood by newbies asking questions. They want to help, but are very bad at it until the asked has a certain level of understanding, and people don’t want to make it over that hump without help. It has always been a roadblock into onboarding more Linux users, and a wall many bounce off of.
Yes, because back when I was learning almost 20 years ago I was able to google terms and read stuff for myself and it was also requirement for posting on forums, yet I was still getting a lot of help from the community. Times has changed it seems, so did the culture. Should I always assume ignorance and lack of interest? And now before I saw your comment I responded more comprehensively anyway, because why not, I’m not mad or anything. Should I take more time to write the response the first time around? Uh maybe idk
Last time I checked only KDE and Gnome support HDR. (For gnome it is still experimental)
Also Hyprland… Yes, that’s the key - the desktop, not the distribution, though the „stable” distros don’t yet ship stuff new enough for this.
I like how “GPU working” as a checkbox metric ties it all together.
And it still doesn’t work with my NVIDIA GPU causing my monitors to freeze and stop working.
HDR with an Nvidia GPU?
Works on desktop for me but no games as of yet…
What about VRR on mutli-monitor setups?
The “extra steps” didn’t make it work for me sadly. I actually tried referencing this thread for solutions a little while ago too, but no luck 😕
This dude is using it without problems. https://lemm.ee/post/55423985/18232530
That’s great for that dude, and I legitimately hope I can use it without problems on my own system one day too
I didn’t think Linux had enough ads and wasn’t commercialized enough but then I tried Ubuntu.
Fuckin gottem 🤣🤣 bullseye!
I still haven’t got discord wayland screen sharing working. (No audio)
Still on vencord in the interim
its in the canary (beta branch). https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360035675191-Discord-Testing-Clients
Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.
But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA and have to leave on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.
lutris works just as flawlessly nowadays using proton with minimal config.
Also, for folks out of the loop, let me explain what this entails. I installed Steam. I clicked install on a game. I clicked play in Steam. That was it. Proton isn’t some sort of thing you need to install or launch separately. It really does “just work”.
I’m able to play Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers 2, and even Marvel Rivals online just fine. All of these are online multiplayer games, the types that generally seem to have the most trouble on Linux.
that is most definitely not the process. You have to explicitly go into Steam’s settings > Compatibility > “Enable Steam Play for all other titles” (what in the world, it’s called Steam Play, not Proton?) and then additionally select which Proton version you want. If you don’t know this, or don’t google it with the right keywords, you won’t understand why literally 90% of your library isn’t available (in my case it was 99% of my library, I think I only had 3 games available on linux natively). Also if you select the wrong Proton version some games won’t run, so you have to know that and switch it for those games only.
They’re likely using a gaming distro that has those settings enabled by default.
It isn’t perfectly seamless but enabling Steam Play or changing proton versions isn’t any more of an advanced task than verifying game files (something that Windows users are asked to do the moment that they have a problem).
It has come a long way from the days of manually creating wine environments and writing custom launch files.
If you can install Skyrim or Minecraft mods (not using Steam Workshop) then you’re sophisticated enough to game on gaming distros like Pop and Bazzite.
If you can use cheat engine without a guide and write your own mods then you’re ready for Arch.
I’m using CachyOS, I think it was set up out of the box.
But once you leave Steam […] it gets a lot worse
Heroic Games Launcher is pretty great for games from GOG and Epic. You can run games with Proton just fine.
Lutris is also a great option, actively contributing to it. Got a slightly different focus than Heroic, but a lot more features as well. Basically a one-stop shop once you got familiar with it. Really needs more people that can contribute though given the huge amount of platforms and launchers it attempts to cover (literally all of them).
Getting something brand new from EA is painful in any platform
Can confirm, bought my son a FIFA game on pc that caused so much trouble and confusion on windows with their activation bullshit that I ended up buying him an xbox
Agreed, but I think it’s important to note that that isn’t because of a shortcoming of Linux, it’s because those companies are incentivized to support platforms that are more suitable for enabling massive profits, that’s what it seems like to me anyways.
“it’s important to note that [insert speculation]”
Jm yeah that’s why I qualified it how i did 🙄
It’s not important to note something that is speculative.
“It’s important to note that YarHarSuperstar probably doesn’t even run Linux.”
See?
That’s your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree obviously, that’s why if you’ll pay very close attention to the words I used, it says “I think” before I said that.
You start by presenting it as a fact “keep in mind that it’s not because of X, but because of Y” then specify that’s it’s what you think but don’t provide any proof of, therefore there’s nothing important to note about what you said because you can’t back it with a source.
TBH, so many people I know don’t even know how to use Windows. Or even a browser. iOS or maybe Android is their PC, all through apps.
Like, if explained laptop BIOS access for installing Linux, I’d lose them before I even started.
iOS or maybe Android is their PC, all through apps and feeds.
So they’re already using BSD and Linux.
Yes yes, Linux is a kernel, but it’s pretty obvious from context they mean desktop operating systems using the Linux kernel.
Linux in the meme’s context has little relation to Apple or Android, unfortunately.
Half my peripherals not working/having linux software support is a major blocker for me. Plus a ton of QOL stuff or ways of doing stuff that I’ve gotten used to on Windows.
That’s wild. What peripherals are you using that don’t work in Linux?
Logitech doesn’t have a version of their software for Linux so I can’t modify my G502 wireless mouse and Pro X Wireless headset (horrible name) at all nor, more importantly, check their battery life.
My Xbox controller’s dongle doesn’t work either (tried to install the Xone driver but couldn’t get it to work with secure boot after many hours of trying).
I never got to trying to run VR on Linux cuz I always got frustrated before I could get to that, but I’ve heard a lot of times that it just doesn’t work well or at all on Linux.Then you add on all the small things that I like how Windows does more than Linux (or at least any distro I tried) and I just can’t see the point in switching.
My OS is supposed to be a tool that lets me use my computer how I want. When I have to spend half of my time tinkering with it to do what I want it to do, I don’t see the point anymore.
Have you guys decided which distro is the ready one?
At this point it should be obvious, btw
Enlighten me.
Is it Zorin?
Obvious to whom exactly?
it may have been an obscure reference to the “btw I use Arch” meme
I got the joke!
Can someone explain to me like I’m a Windows user why Arch is so great? You know, over something like Ubuntu.
If you’re a “well acktchually” type of nerd who adores exceedingly granular control over things like choosing from twelve different versions of a driver via a command text box, then Arch is for you.
I say this as a user of an Arch-based OS; EndeavourOS is probably the closest to user-friendly as Arch gets but it still requires some nitty-gritty. Don’t worry too much about which choices you pick during installation though since it doesn’t really matter as much as it pretends to.
KDE Plasma is a desktop style close to that of windows that Arch usually defaults to, where Ubuntu’s typical desktop style is closer to Mac.
That said, once you get past the pain in the ass hurdle of figuring out your big basics in the command line, installing packages (programs/apps) is pretty easy. You can also use something called Flatpak which is like an App Store and usually easier for installing stuff.
This started out as a joke but turned into an essay. Thanks for bearing with me.
Hint: the answer lies within the last 3 letters of their post. And is probably a joke.
Not yet but I’d at least narrow it down to Arch and Fedora. I don’t think either of those is a bad choice.
Lol, Arch Linux is good to learn quickly if you like that. Suggesting it to non-experts however is an act of sadism. 😅
Mint? Arch? Anything you like
Redstar?
Hanna Montana Linux
Yes sir
“Nvidia GPU working”
If the driver feels like it, lol.
If the gpu doesn’t burn
I know NVIDIA gets a lot of shit, but I’ve honestly never encountered a problem after using nvidia + Linux for well over a decade. Sure, it can be picky when it comes to kernel version, but deciding on a kernel is part of initial setup of a proper system anyway.
For real?? 😓 I was rockin a 3080ti on a 4k panel for a bit there and Wayland was impossible to run on Debian-KDE. Like as soon as I got to desktop everything stuttered in slow motion, dpi was janky as hell, and wouldn’t respond to DPI config changes… And that was on a fresh install from Debian’s KDE installation media! 🤔 did ya’ll have to do any tinkering or was Wayland cruising for ya outta the box?
Had to sell that card as I got tf outta the US anyways (been maining my steam Deck on a dock, which has been fun!), but I’m thinking I’ll go AMD for my next build. VR & Wayland are way better on an AMD GPU, from what I hear!
Same here. I really don’t know what people do with their machines. I’ve had numerous nvidia gpus for ages without trouble (and litteraly decades of linux).
Never on laptops though, maybe that’s where problems arise.
For me, my crime was trying to use Wayland with an Nvidia card before the explicit sync support was added in.
Laptops exclusively for decades here, so nope, that’s not it.
Well, there goes my pet theory then.
There may be a lot of reasons why the problems don’t apply to you guys. Perhaps you just use nouveau. Perhaps you prefer to not use cutting edge hardware. You might stuck to a distro that did an exceptional job. Perhaps it’s also a little bit of selective perception (you might fix something that appears tiny to you, but is a system breaker for others who intimately familiar with Linux).
What I can say is, after using both desktops and laptops with many different distros for about a decade and now helping my family at moving over to Linux, that there absolutely are a thousand ways for the Nvidia driver to break. On one machine it decided to stop working with Wayland after a kernel upgrade after working fine with it beforehand. On another one the driver utility of Mint failed to install the driver. And on my laptop the driver failed due to Nvidia screwing up their repo for Tumbleweed with faulty dependencies. Also, does “Nvidia repo went offline for half a day, preventing setting up a new system” count? (It’s hosted by Nvidia)
It’s good to hear you lucked out, however for many users and distro maintainers those drivers are an absolute pain. Assumingly also for Nvidia given they began working on a completely new driver.
Linux has been ready since 2008. Literally not had a single real problem since Ubuntu 7.10 kept turning my monitor off while booting. Everything just works and has for 17 years now.
Every problem I see people have now (IRL not online) is ‘I don’t like the default theme’ tier nonsense.
It might be nonsense to you, but that’s the first thing people see. No matter how amazing you business is, if our business card is a handwritten phone number on a piece of toilet paper, nobody will call.
Yup. If the theme is causing a mental hang up for laymen, then it’s an issue whether you agree with it or not.
But I suspect it’s more than that, and Linux stans are playing down the shitty UI.
The “works on my machine” certification sure seems like an amazing barometer for usability.
This is unfortunately very common when interacting with Linux users. I’ve had general issues on Linux that never happened on Windows, and you mostly just get replies saying it works for them and everything is dandy. That’s great! It’s not how I use MY computer though, so…
I get your point, and it is a fair criticism of how these discussions tend to go. That said, I think it goes both ways. I’ve had problems on Windows I didn’t have on Linux and/or Mac. None of them are perfect. They all have their unique problems.
I think the main difference is that I never see Windows users say that “Windows is just SO great, you have GOT to install it right nooooooowwww!” nor Mac users. But Linux users will gladly rant and rave about their distro to normal people who are just now hearing about Linux for the first time, then get upset when that person doesn’t even know how to use a terminal command.
But then again, I only have myself in my life that has any sort of interest in tech, so maybe there are and I just have never experienced it.
I’ve definitely heard Mac fans rant and rave about Mac being the best.
Works on Grampa’s machine and he can’t even figure out how how to unlock an iPhone. Which is ‘stare at it’ last I checked.
No more excuses bird!
lol wut? Proton vpn sucks on Linux.
Proton is a tool for use with the Steam client which allows games which are exclusive to Windows to run on the Linux operating system. It uses Wine to facilitate this.
Proton the gaming tool
