The problem of platforms when they become big. Just like cyber criminals lurk on systems used by the mass to exploit. Things can be used for good and for bad. And its often the small portion of bad that ruins it for large majority. Just like the few football hooligans that screw things up for the rest.
Bad intend or behavior is just hard to manage in a free online world. If Elon is hated then Adrian will take over…
I thought I was smelling some more of that over there lately.
The nuclear block makes it a fools errand
I very much love the Bluesky block. Admittedly I am not there much, but still.
“Thank you, AI !”
P.S. If Russians will be in Nurnberg court they will say something like “it’s not our fault, it’s putin’s fault.”
First of all, however shitty Russian regime is (you have no idea how I hate that crap), by the amount of crimes committed lately it’s not worse than Turkey or Israel, or a certain superpower backing them. So if it is in that court, and those others are not, the fact alone will be ironic enough.
I’m getting tired of this ‘whataboutism’.
It’s the same ‘third world’ logic: “look, there is also shitty countries around us in the world. So it’s ok if our country and we, like the people, are the same: with bad quality of education, without freedom, bad quality of life, living in fascist criminal state, illegally annexing territories, killing civilians, not respecting each other’s boundaries (because we are “collectivists” and not individualists, who care about themselves. It’s always ok to die for our dictator-criminal), we steal each other’s things, etc. And it’s definitely ok to change nothing. And it’s definitely ok to act like barbarians and then not to take personal responsibility for your own actions.”
It’s YOUR country and we are talking about YOUR country and no one else. Don’t look at others. Do not normalize that.
It’s YOUR country and we are talking about YOUR country and no one else. Don’t look at others. Do not normalize that.
I don’t care what you are talking about. It’s pretty normal that you think you have the moral high ground. It’s also pretty normal that in fact you don’t.
The rest of your comment is your imagination, having nothing to do with what I said.
I said that if, say, WWII didn’t happen (something like Man in the High Castle, but moderate version), but some kind of Nuremberg trials did happen, with, say, Dolfuss and Mussolini and their crowd, but not Nazis as the accused, - that would be the correct analogy to Russia being accused in such a tribunal and half the US allies not.
That’s truth whether you like it or not. And you are not on the side of any freedom or rules-based order too, you are on the side that bombed Gaza for a year, and the genocidal (for real and not like Russia) Turkish state, and Saudi Arabia, and Gulf Arab monarchies.
Hey bud, lemmy help you out. I think you’ve ended up on the wrong instance with your account. I think lemmy.ml should be your bee’s knees.
You think wrong.
Thank you for clearing that up lmao
Swinging hard and missing with the ‘uhh but x country is worse’. Okay dude.
No, just pointing out that there’s difference between Russia’s mischief level (similar to Saddam’s level or frankly even US level in Iraq 2004) and the Nazi level (countries doing that are not being called mischievous by westerners, because their free uncensored media somehow magically by itself freely aligns with geopolitical policies of western governments).
And since the person I was answering is likely from a country allied with some of the latter, seems shameless for them to bring up Nuremberg.
this community is a psy op :P hang in there
Man, there’s like no day I don’t see another high quality version of this meme on Lemmy.
How many different upscaled versions do you people have exactly?
This is fuckin’ special, background cut out 16k ultra HD
I have another that I ran through a 16x upscaling model but nothing has called for a 12k x 10k pikachu yet
What about vector pikachu?
yet…
That’s how you know you’ve made it in social media
“Being infiltrated by Russian bots” is the new “being bought out by Big Tech”, I guess
I wonder if they’ll ever notice this place. Like. Before a big election or something.
Notice this place? Lemmy?
The place made because "Fuck the white supremacist Reddit admins, want me to set up a self hosted one for /r/communism?"That place?
That’s the one!
Well. Sort of.
I swear they’re already here. We got a couple stubborn conservative plants doing nothing but posting disinfo day in and day out. The mods of !conservative@lemmy.world are particularly sus.
That’s basically what the ml and hexbear instances seem to be. Or at least there’s a lot of them there.
LMAO, what a sub… I don’t what I expected going in, but it certainly wasnt a crypto scam as the first post. More like conservative @ my ass
You are commenting in a post linking to “kyivinsider”, whose article sources its information from “alliance4europe”, this is literally state propaganda. I don’t mean to say it’s disinformation because the content of the article is probably true, but this is evidence that state propaganda is already rampant in Lemmy and we should be aware of it.
At least this anti-Ukrainian spam seems to get flagged as such in my polish corner of Bluesky. Wondering how long that will last and if we’ll see Jack Dorsey doing fascist salutes on stage too.
apparently, after a recent thread on lemmy and some reading, dorsey left bluesky some time ago
He quit and Mike Masnick, of Techdirt fame, replaced him which is a good upgrade.
Unfortunately, they still have Aaron Rodericks on trust and safety, who’s cozy with Singal.
And what’s the problem with liking Signal?
As far as I know, Jack Dorsey left Bluesky almost a year ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bluesky-twiiter-nostr-interview-2024-5
His interview on the topic: https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
I have to somewhat agree with him that Bluesky is still very much susceptible to turning into Twitter all over again. Right now, it definitely feels like Twitter in its infancy but with all the modern QoL features we expect to have nowadays. Which is nice, of course. Twitter didn’t used to be such a toxic shithole of bots and disinformation, it used to be a powerful communication tool for activism and journalists covering rapidly evolving events live.
However, the endgame of such platforms is inevitable. Higher user saturation means higher operating costs, which then usually means the company has a higher reliance on advertising, which then leads to more algorithms and data mining for targeted ads, which then leads to easier mass political manipulation campaigns.
I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to attract mass audience without an algorithm driven model. Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
I’m sure that’s a factor, but I can think of another reason. Decision paralysis when picking instances and frontends has been cited quite often as a substantial hurdle.
Sure, I can definitely see that as an issue for Lemmy especially. I haven’t used Mastodon in awhile (microblog format doesn’t really appeal to me outside of when I’m looking for sales), but I had thought that the main mobile app defaulted to the biggest instance there. Is that not the case?
Wouldn’t want to be getting any criticism in your feed of an authoritarian far-right dictatorship, now would we? Can’t have these tankies calling for elections or banning Nazi symbols!
It’s funny that I can interpret this in every way possible. Yes, I prefer to be able to be critical of US or Russia on my social media without getting downranked. Yes, I’m for free elections in Belarus. I’d be for banning nazi symbols but they’re banned where I live already.
Haven’t you heard? When Ukrainians declare themselves Nazis, cover themselves in Nazi patches, and refuse to hold elections, it’s “complicated” and we’re not allowed to talk about it.
Yes, and because there are Nazis in their army and refuse to hold elections in a war-thorn country, they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families, and beaten and raped until they forget that ugly Russian dialect some dare to call “the Ukrainian language”.🤡
they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families
Russia is the only side that has set “status quo conditions” for avoiding war. West+Ukraine chose this war. That orphanages in Crimea were evacuated to “safety”, and included a few ethnic Ukrainian children is not the “horror” it’s hyped to be.
It’s fair to blame the side fighting for nazification and nato for the war.
Ukraine “choose” the war by not wanting to be a Russian satellite state anymore.
No. Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years, and not implementing the autonomy agreements, chose the war. Ukraine can peacefully join EU or have greater EU trade.
You seem to think countries can be forced to invade other countries. That is not how anything works.
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Do you believe this to be a reasoned response to my concern about real, self-identified Nazis empowered by the US? Do you think that countering Nazi criticism with reflexive projection of genocidal intent is helping your case?
I can count quite a few people, who have similar concerns about Palestinians, yet here we are…
Yes, I believe you can count zionists, and that you reflexively defend fascists there as well.
Unfortunately every countries military has nationalistic fascists, some of which use Nazi iconography to display their “pride”. I could find the 1940 Swedish general election (not at war), 1942 Icelandic parliamentary election (occupied by USA), 1943 & 1944 Irish general elections (not at war) as the elections held between Sep 1939 & Sep 1945, the other democratic European country’s I reviewed, elections were either postponed or went uncontested.
Is every country erecting monuments to or naming streets after famous Nazis?
Oh look. It’s the countries arming these Nazis. What a weird coincidence.
I remember there was a time on the internet where “Don’t feed the trolls” and “True story, read it on the internet” was a thing. Would be nice if they were a thing again. Even in this thread, obvious trolls are being engaged and motivated to spew their filth.
The tragic irony of boomers is they told all their kids “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” and then failed to internalize the lesson for themselves.
This applies to any age group though so I don’t understand why you are pointing the finger in a particular direction. It’s not really helpful or insightful in the context of the thread.
Because they were the generation teaching the first group of kids growing up with the internet and they were actually very right to tell us that. Their role is unique. The generation matters. There’s your insight.
Well by that logic of age then gen X too. There’s a bit more insight for you.
No. Gen X weren’t parents until the internet was more or less in every household already and they aren’t as prone to misinformation as boomers (though certainly not immune).
Gen x absolutely were parents at the beginning of the internet. The earlier gen X were in their 20’s when the world wide web was demonstrated so were the parents of the first children who were born into it.
The oldest gen X were 30 by 1995. The vast majority were not even old enough to be parents. By 2000 the oldest were 35 the youngest 20.
it is normal because the platform is growing and then BSKY public blocklist will be bigger to counter this.
It’s always been there, it’s easier to moderate them out than it is on the alternatives. Would rather still be on bsky/mastodon than whatever the fuck.
Oh, good. I was worried we might actually get to keep a platform free of garbage. Whew. Can’t wait for all those conspiracy nuts to join in too!
/s
Seriously, if someone would just off Putin, that’d be great. Let Russia fall into a little civil war as smaller leaders fight amongst themselves for the scraps.
Just curious. Would you support a civil war in now openly fascist USA (see support of genocide and nazi salutes in presidential inauguration)? I don’t support civil war in either because that’s a horrifying outcome for the population of both.
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i was hoping for a purified echo chamber because that’s clearly what this world needs more of.
Too many nukes
At this point, just do it. Humanity needs a reset anyway.
If they had any that worked, they’d have used them by now.
Putin may be crazy, but he’s not suicidal.
Uhhh… I’d say he already crossed that threshold recently when he flung that empty ballistic missle into some random ass factory
Nukes aren’t self stable. The brains that it takes to maintain the stock left or died long ago.
That is the western propaganda for justifying diminishing Russia. “If we are lucky a civil war fractures Russia into balkanized sections which the US/CIA will be able to keep divided and warmongering amongst each other. Blow up their oil. Yay!”. Instead, Russians understand this war as defensive, and don’t believe “NATO is a purely defensive alliance” BS, any more than non-imbeciles in west believe it, instead of willingly going along with the hateful propaganda lies because they have internalized their rulers warmongering profits as if it were a sports home team.
We can all be very thankful for Putin’s restraint on nuclear strikes of US bases in Europe, or Aircarrier fleets off coast of Israel. If anything, opposition in Russia that would replace him, if impression was that Russia was losing/Putin approach was failing, would be more aggressive in ending the war once and for all.
Cries about western propaganda while deep throating Kremlin propaganda. Good job.
Russians understand Ukraine to be a necessary defensive action. Reality. And only relevance to their actions. Western propaganda meant to disinform Russians that NATO motives are purely human truth and love is desperation that cannot end well.
And you’re still pushing Kremlin propaganda. Cool.
I am not on that platform but I’ll offer a:
This is how smaller communities die. They get infested with state actors and the paradigm shifts on some of the stupidest, dipshit topics.
Big ones too. Case in point, USA.
You are literally reading EU state propaganda in this very post, an article by “kyivinsider” sourcing its information from “alliance4europe”, funded by the European Parliament and the Polish International Affairs ministry among others (according to its own website, feel free to check the link inside the article).
That doesn’t mean that it’s fake news or anything, the report is most likely true, just that it’s really ironic that we’re consuming state propaganda designed to make us worried about state propaganda from other “evil” countries (unlike our glorious EU parliament, not on a fascist downward spiral at all)
Gross
It’s an information war like Hilary Clinton said.
The link goes to a site created less than two months ago kyivinsider. The source is from Alliance4europe.This is part of the DISARM Foundation, also know for AMITT (Adversarial Misinformation and Influence Tactics and Techniques) framework.
That one belongs to the Credibility Coalition, and that one to Meedan. A San Francisco based organization funded by the US National Science Foundation and many organizations like Meta, Amazon, etc.
The Russians are amateurs at propaganda in comparison to the US.
I love how this post makes a bunch of claims, and yet provides zero sources, and thus, has absolutely zero value.
It’s digital noise, spam at best, evil misinformation at worst.
It took time to look that up. The link doesn’t even have an about page. And an IP search shows it is a new site. From there the actual source site (German) you follow back the about pages back to the original sources. There is no need to for a bunch of links. Anyone can verify.
Propagandan is one of Kremlin’s biggest tools, and it has been since the wall went up and it certainly never stopped when it came down.
Over time it has become the cheapest way for them for sow discord and infighting between their adversaries. Moving it online made it even cheaper and they’ve been at it hard the past decade or two.
Obviously the US have their own operations, but your point is not correct in any way. Look at what they’ve accomplished. The world is in chaos and they’re largely responsible for a lot or even most of it, depending on how you look at the big picture.
I didn’t express that last part correctly. I meant that it was probably a single guy making those bots. A lot more effective that multiple funders, agencies, organizations and private companies working on “democracy” and “transparency”.
As for the fault. The trouble started with a coup in 2014. Then internal conflict and then Russia entered differently with war. At every step of the conflict you have the US behind. The coup to put a US puppet, arming them, blowing up Russian infrastructure, and using other countries to block Russian gas in favor of more expensive American gas. Russia has made clear they don’t tolerate NATO in Ukraine. It is as logical as Russia putting military bases in Canada or Mexico.
You’re wasting your time. I happen to live in a country with a very long border to Russia (guess which one) and I know you’re full of shit simply because we’re dealing with the motherfuckers daily. NATO is and always has been a defensive alliance. We all know that. Russia is simply using it as a really idiotic excuse to do what they wanted to do in the first place. We all know that too.
Simply put, the time for this kind of bullshit is over and done for. Nobody that isn’t already dumb enough to side with those fucknuts believes any of this shit.
As for the US, yeah well up until Putin and his cronies got all the clowns to come out they weren’t actively harming anyone deliberately. Sure, there are war crimes and assholes all over, but also a lot of good-natured and sincerely well meaning people. There have also been trials and sentences for said assholes, as opposed to Russia where you can beat your wife to death and it’s all good.
You don’t find a lot of good in Russia, and you haven’t for a long time. My grandfather fought them, and either me or my son will probably fight them eventually. We’ve already taken action once. It won’t stop there.
You are all dying for an American cause and corrupt local politics if you are Ukrainian. And I am not supporting Russia. There is no good guy here. In the past some countries in Latin America got destroyed be the US for being too friendly with Russia. That is what happens between two powers who want control. The Ukraine war is about arm deals, corruption and money laundering. And I have heard that from an Ukrainian.
