Why would google, a company of such unfathomable power and reach, be fearful of Trump? They can say no and it won’t affect their bottomline much.
Google, or rather Alphabet, is an American company. Trump is the president of America, the most powerful country militarily and economically. Alphabet is also subject to American laws and is currently under an anti-trust lawsuit with America. What makes you think Google can stand up against the US?
They’re not required to change it. All the law does is officially change the name for official government purposes it doesn’t require everyone in the US to start calling it that.
I never said they were required to change it. I just wanted to put into perspective the power that Google has vs the power the US has. Also change the name of the Gulf of Mexico is not law. It did not go through Congress.
Fearful, or in agreement with?
The only thing they care about is money. If their bottomline doesn’t benefit, they don’t do.
Unless the CEOs are worried they’ll have a Trump supporter shoot them dead and then be immediately pardoned and released by Trump.
Yeah, I’ve been meaning to switch to OpenStreetMaps for a while now and this was the impetus to drop what I was doing and download it immediately. Fuck Google. So sick of this mask off tech plutocracy bullshit.
Edit: I’ve tried it a few times yesterday and today, and I like it. Works with Android Auto in my car, guidance voice isn’t annoying, directions are accurate. Only complaint is I’m not sure how to search up a business and have the app map me to the nearest location. I need to dig deeper and figure out if I just haven’t found it yet.
I would 100% drop GMaps if I could hit the directions button on a Google search and have it bring up OSM instead. Google Maps has been bugged for me for years and the maps app never gets the address from a browser search. I have to search for the business or address in the maps app itself for it to work.
The gulf of mexico vs gulf of america thread on the Open Street Map forum is interesting and worth a read.
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571
The discussion seems to be focused around possibly waiting for one or more governing bodies to rule on the name change, or just going along with it and adding an alternate text for people who would prefer the old one, which I think is way more democratic than anything Trump had in mind when signing this XO.
I certainly prefer this over the blind deference that Google seems to have for an executive order that is functionally just direction to the state department and not legally binding in any way whatsoever.
Well the openstreetmap community aren’t employed by a bunch of hacks perching on a tower of cardboard held together by a failing scheme of duck tape that nobody left after all the layoffs and enshittification knows how to repair, so that makes sense : )
This is so pathetic by Google.
They all bend the knee. Just wait until the persecution of political opposition becomes a thing.
Has nothing to do with bending the knee. The executive order literally changed the official name of the Gulf in the U.S. This situation is ridiculous, but it is the new U.S. government that you need to complain about, not the people implementing or deferring to their decisions.
Not legal
Obama renamed Mt. McKinley to Denali by executive order. Trump is using executive order to rename it back.
Biden outlawed oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. Trump used executive order to rename it so the Gulf of Mexico “doesn’t exist”. (EDIT: Actually the naming appears to be unrelated to this. The drilling ban was specifically reversed in a different executive order that reversed several Biden EOs)
It’s all questionable use of executive order. But which party is going to step up and say “the last guy did it, but our guy shouldn’t be able to ignore checks & balances anymore”?
The difference is that it’s intentional waters and the International Hydrographic Organization is in charge of standardizing the names.
The IHO proposes names which world nations may or may not use.
Such is the case with the “Southern Ocean” around Antarctica since the early 2000s, which is randomly recognized & not recognized by world nations.
It still requires Congress to pass legislation. I think they would have to leave the organization entirely or amend the resolution to join it and recognize it’s naming convention. The executive order is illegal.
Actually very little of the gilf falls into international waters
gilf
I’ve heard of MILFs… but i’ve only seen GILFs in Japan. That’s not the geography we’re discussing here.
A line joining Cape Catoche Light (21°37′N 87°04′W) with the Light on Cape San Antonio in Cuba, through this island to the meridian of 83°W and to the Northward along this meridian to the latitude of the South point of the Dry Tortugas (24°35’N), along this parallel Eastward to Rebecca Shoal (82°35’W) thence through the shoals and Florida Keys to the mainland at the eastern end of Florida Bay and all the narrow waters between the Dry Tortugas and the mainland being considered to be within the Gulf.
Biden outlawed oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. Trump used executive order to rename it so the Gulf of Mexico “doesn’t exist”.
I’d be very surprised if all laws/treaties cease to exist if you just rename the “counterparty”/location. Declare Mexico to be named South Texas, and laws no longer apply there?
Probably true.
But until a court actually steps up to say it, it’s the Wild West out there. And as soon as this gets shot down, another executive order will get wedged back in there to keep the rigs drilling.
EDIT: Apparently the naming had nothing to do with drilling. The drilling ban was already specifically reversed in a different executive order that reversed several Biden EOs
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Do. Not. Comply.
Giving in is what gives them the power.
I absolutely will call out people who think it’s ok to just go along with the new fascist regime.
International bodies of water tend to be named by… International governing bodies.
That said, Google’s choices about which country to rely on has… Some real-world ramifications. Like the very… shall we say, “open to interpretation” border between India and Pakistan. Or, China and India’s border.
For what it’s worth, this is how Google maps has always worked. Use Google maps in China and you’ll notice that borders are in different places, HK,
TibetBhutan, the whole China sea, those are within China’s borders. It’s the same with Russia, crimea is just part of Russia if you use Google maps in Russia. If your country recognizes different borders or different names for places, that’s what Google shows you in your country. It’s basically either that or they can’t operate in that country, so they don’t really have a choice if they want to exist in that region.HK and Tibet are part of China in all maps. Did you mean Taiwan?
Well yeah, as of 6 years ago, after China invaded with military force, HK has been recognized as part of China on all maps. But Google showed it as part of China even before then.
And then yeah, I just remembered the wrong name, it was the border of Tibet/Bhutan that are in dispute, so parts of Bhutan display as Chinese territory.
Thanks for catching that.
HK was handed back to PRC in 1997, there was a ceremony and everything. Just because it was stolen by the British for sometime doesn’t mean it isn’t Chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handover_of_Hong_Kong
A border dispute between Bhutan and China isn’t something exceptional, Wikipedia has a list of border disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes your country might have some of its own
I never said it was exceptional, quite the opposite, I’m saying many countries have border disputes.
Interesting that you don’t seem to care about my other examples, Gaza or Crimea. Got a soft spot for China?
What a weird response. I was addressing your comment. You didn’t mention Palestine -all of it is Palestine FYI, Israel is just another Crusader state- and Crimea should be returned to the Crimean Tatars, both Slavic peoples are invaders.
But no, you would rather play the Sinophobia and Yellow Perilism card and assume that I receive Xi bucks. What a day! I didn’t mention my own country’s border disputes with its neighbors either! Didn’t see it necessary to educate you on the matter.
What a weird response. I was addressing your comment. You didn’t mention Palestine.
Oh whoops, it must have been a different post in this thread that I mentioned Gaza.
you would rather play the Sinophobia and Yellow Perilism card and assume that I receive Xi bucks.
I’ve said nothing of the sort. That sounds like deflection.
They can name it how they want. They could name it piss puddle and the rest of the world wouldn’t care, it’ll still be Gulf of Mexico.
That’s an interesting theory, we may just test that out.
But I suspect that ten years from now, it’s name will be whatever it’s been saying on the maps. Just ask New Yorkers (sorry, I mean new Amsterdamers).
New Amsterdam is different, that was hundreds of years ago before there were millions of printed maps and it’s another thing to rename own landmarks after a conquest or something which isn’t within your country.
“Gulf of Trump” just go for the gusto you fucking spinless pussies.
I thought that name was already taken by the chasm in between his ears.
“Gulf of this will bring down the price of eggs”
I know it’s not deliberate, but phrases like ‘spineless pussies’ are why women don’t feel welcome on lemmy.
Is lemmy truly a left-leaning platform? Or is it yet another tech-bro circlejerk that cares more about the aesthetics of inclusivity? You all can’t have your cake and it eat it too.
☞ https://www.openstreetmap.org
https://f-droid.org/packages/app.organicmaps/ or https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps
Organic Maps is a free Android & iOS offline maps app for travelers, tourists, hikers, and cyclists. It uses crowd-sourced OpenStreetMap data and is developed with love by the community. No ads, no tracking, no data collection, no crapware.https://f-droid.org/packages/net.osmand.plus/ or https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand
This project aims at providing comfortable map viewing and navigation (routing) application for mobile devices. Particular stress lies with complete offline features (via pre-loaded offline map data) or economic internet usage.https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/akylas.alpi.maps or https://github.com/Akylas/alpimaps
Alpi Maps is a map application to help you prepare and enjoy your hike! Get all the info you need before you go, then enjoy all the data offline during your hike.Ios: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1007331679 https://apps.apple.com/app/id934850257
Also fun fact the official apple maps app is mostly based on OSM.
people don’t degoogle to use apple instead
Actually I think this is a pretty common thing. I know several people who use iPhones and other Apple products specifically to avoid the google alternatives.
I used Organic Maps on my CalyxOS phone a few days ago to navigate a 200 mile car drive home to the Scottish Highlands, and it worked flawlessly. The first 50 miles were through parts of Fife that I was not familiar with. I left it on for the rest of the journey just to track my progress and test it out. Very impressed with it. Maps are detailed and downloaded to the device for offline use. I’ve finally managed to deGoogle my life completely and will never use another Google product or service again.
What you use for email?
I have my own website account for personal stuff, and all the other stuff that was going to my Gmail account is being redirected now to Disroot.org where I’m slowly changing the address over for each mail that comes in. I know Disroot is probably not the best, but it was free, had POP3 and IMAP support (I use IMAP on my phone and POP3 on my desktop) and it’s not used for anything too important.
Hijacking this to plug contributing to OSM. Improving your local area is very rewarding and can pair well with some youtube binging. Take a look at your city and see if there are things you’re interested in working on.
Except when it is frustrating and continually tries to send you through tiny “technically paved” service roads so you know anyone unfamiliar to the area would risk car damage because there is no way to mark a road as “low priority” or “only use if you live on that road”.
Street complete is very awesome though! Especially for updating local businesses.
Are you referring to smoothness=bad or a narrow width? (I’m guessing you’ve been using StreetComplete to specify each.)
Holy shit, I never found smoothness in the OSM editor. Does that actually effect routing priority?
That might be a game changer for making my local area much better on OSM.
Does Google maps allow that? Does any map program?
BRouter and other routing engines can use attributes like surface and smoothness (and probably width) to calculate routes.
That’s especially fun for those of us on motorcycles. I found a particularly horrible road to ride a sport touring bike on several years ago and would have loved this feature on osm.
I am using Magic Earth for navigation. Any recommended companion iOS apps for contributing to OSM?
Possibly not “companion” per se, but Every Door is available for iOS and MapComplete can run in browser. Go Map!! can provide more detailed editing.
I love the app MagicEarth for turn by turn navigation GPS. It uses OSM!
“Contains no known trackers” according to AuroraStore + free and no adds
https://www.magicearth.com/privacy/
will take a look, thanks
For anyone wondering “where do they get their money?”
It’s from businesses who buy their SDK. They (allegedly) don’t sell any of your data
Magic Earth is free for all our end-users but we also have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners. For instance Selectric.de (a supplier for navigation solutions for ambulances and fire trucks), Smarter AI (developing ADAS systems) or Absolute Cycling (using the platform on bicycles). For more info on the SDK, you can check magiclane.com.
Bottom of their faq
I haven’t been able to test it out yet, but it seems pretty decent
Magic Earth is proprietary, though. You can believe their privacy policy, but I have trouble believing any privacy policy if I can’t see the source code.
OpenStreetMap also needs to deal with this kind of thing. In this case, several people already tried to add it to the map in some form of other, but generally not as something to actually be shown. There is a looong discussion about it here https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571 . General opinion is that it is (or will be) “the official name that the US says it has”. In OSM you can invent tags for anything, so an object can have many names. Done like this, anyone using the data can still choose to give precedence to any “official US names that are not in common use yet”. Later it may be upgraded ased on if it becomes a common alternative name, just in the US, or maybe beyond. All those options can have their own special tag. And only very motivated data users will ever show it to map users. But if you do a search for Gulf of America, you will be able to find it.
is there anything android auto compatible?
i never use android auto so my help would be based on what i’ve read.
i tried magicEarth after the above comment. It’s not foss but it seems more practical for driving and it is said to be a. auto compatible.
Yes, OsmAnd: https://osmand.net/docs/user/navigation/auto-car/
Jesus fucking christ
So why didn’t they change Crimea to be part of Russia, if that’s always been the longstanding policy, Google?
(Note; I’m not suggesting it is a part of Russia; just pointing out the hypocrisy of Google since Trump claiming ownership of the Gulf of Mexico is the same thing as Russia claiming ownership of Crimea.)
It’s not the same. Google is a US company.
It makes sense that it would use the GNIS, a system of the USGS, to put names on places.
It hasn’t changed here yet, but I figure when it does, Google will reflect the change.
https://www.usgs.gov/tools/geographic-names-information-system-gnis
They did (in Russia). There’s no hypocrisy here. Just blanket compliance with local authority.
The maps look different when viewed in different regions, this becomes apparent whenever there’s contested territory, like crimea, the China sea, Gaza. We only see the maps that our local government approves.
Does anyone know if Waze will warn you if there is an accident ahead and will redirect you?
Google owns Waze
Ahh boo that’s right
But to answer your question, absolutely. In fact, Waze’s reporting is why Google bought it and added those features to Google Maps.
You know Google owns Waze right?
It’ll warn you but not redirect you.
Mexico should rename Baja California to Península Pacífica.
That doesn’t make much sense, since Baja California was named California before the US-State which even belonged to Mexico back in the days.
If anything Trump is going to change California to Ivankia or Putinstan, but I guess at that point California will rather rejoin Mexico.
Makes as much sense as changing Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America - which will go the way of Freedom Fries in 4 years anyway.
Fuck off google🖕🏼x2
Here google. It’s correct here. Nothing to change.
E: i love the DV, denying geography lol
I want off this ride.
Yeah, I’m with you.
This timeline took a serious nosedive somewhere around 2010. I’m no longer sure think we’re pulling out of it…
Time to stop using Google
