That’s one way to finally kill x86.
x86 is already dead yo
edit: downvoters don’t understand they are using amd64 and not x86 lol wtf
edit 2: downvoters of this comment are computer-illiterate
x86 is the architecture, amd64 is an extention on that architecture so it’s still x86 just with an instruction set extension that allows for native 64 bit computing.
x86 was designed to be nearly fully backwards compatible back to the i386 or even the 8086 so whatever code that could run on those CPUs would work on modern “amd64” CPUs.
Pretty much x86 is a snowball rolling down a hill. It keeps picking up new things and growing as time goes on but the core of it will always be the same.
good point. It still makes me smile how that one went down. imagine if we were all on f’ing itanium instead.
It’s very much not? It’s not even certain if an alternative architecture will ever fully replace it
To me x86 is currently in similar position to internal combustion engine cars. We are already almost certain some of the alternatives available right now are better.
The reason ICE/x86 seem better is that they have the benefit of being greatly optimised due to years of market dominance pulling billions if not trillions of dollars into research. Some company has to sacrifice a lot of money to get the ball rolling on new tech as it is very difficult for an emerging technology to break old tech dominance. However considering Apple seems to be pulling similar numbers on a way less developed architecture I d say we might be close.
I don’t know enough about the subjects to go into details, but I know enough to say that that is reductive. ARM/alternatives are not inherently better, at least not universally. And, especially because of the inertia, I do not expect x86 to be fully replaced on the desktop any time soon. The motivations behind companies such as Apple using ARM likely have more to do with licensing than anything else
It’s probably more useful to think of x86 and ARM as slightly different tools that are slightly better suited to different tasks. Desktop, server (and possibly high-performance) computing are x86’s specialty, and I do not expect it to be replaced
All-in-all, from what I know, the practical differences between ARM and x86 are nowhere near large enough to be compared to something like the electric vs internal combustion engine. It’s probably closer to a difference of, say, a typical train and a subway
But, please read up on this yourself. I am not an expert in hardware, this is just what i casually picked up as a layperson
Here is the way I understand it:
Microsoft got to be as big as it is because they were the ones sitting at the table when IBM made the biggest whoopsie in all of business. They negotiated a non-exclusive license to MS-DOS for the Intel Reference Design PC they were slapping together. The only thing that was proprietary to IBM about the 5150 PC was the BIOS. Well other companies like Compaq engineered a non-infringing BIOS and were able to bring a 100% compatible competitor to the market. That, plus Intel being required to license the x86 architecture to AMD so that there could be second party suppliers
ifwhen Intel shit the bucket, made the PC a mostly open platform. Many companies made or make PCs, lots of companies publish software for Windows (or DOS before it).I will continue to call even modern PCs “x86”, mostly to hurt sepi’s feelings at this point.
Apple, meanwhile, maintains a death grip on their vertically integrated empire. Only they sell the hardware, only they distribute the operating system, they either make the software in-house or vendors must work closely with them to publish software on their stores.
Then you’ve got Linux, who showed up and used whatever hardware was available.
Windows on x86 PCs is a closed source, open ecosystem. You can cobble the hardware together from a number of vendors, and software is usually distributed as closed source pre-compiled binaries–compiled for x86 or later, sometimes with in-line handwritten assembly. An anti-competitive streak plus the complacency that comes with being a big successful business has made Microsoft unable to realistically make a platform switch. They used the difficulty of decompiling compiled binaries as a method of copy protection for too long, and now important people NEED very old software to work on new hardware and all the loose standards are so ugly that no it’s really not plausible to make Windows for ARM without breaking a lot of legacy applications. Just in gaming. Think of how many games are out there that the publishers are either defunct or just moved on from their old games. The source code is gone or they were made in an old version of Unity that requires features that don’t work anymore so even if you have the old project files it’s difficult if not impossible to work on anymore, so how many games would Microsoft orphan if they said “Oops all ARM now?” And then it’s not just gaming, it’s all the MRI machines and city transit systems and airport systems and banks and credit cards that were built for some old version of Windows and are still in use as they were…they just…can’t abandon the x86 architecture.
Apple is a closed source closed ecosystem. It has such a firm grip on both the hardware itself and the APIs that third party software developers may use that they can accomplish “We’re switching from Motorola PowerPC to Intel x86 now” or “We’re switching from Intel x86 to AppleSilicon ARM now.” They can make the same toolchains output to different architectures or write working translation layers like Rosetta to get those transitions made relatively seamlessly for end users. It does mean you’re locked into one hardware vendor and pretty much one software source.
Linux is an open source, open ecosystem. The second a new architecture is added to GCC, Linux will be compiled for it. Debian Linux for RISC-V was available before there was silicon to run it on. Because most software for Linux is open source, anyone who wants to can compile it for different architectures. Most of Desktop End User Linux is de facto on x86 PCs designed for Windows is because that’s the hardware that’s widely commercially available. There is the problem that things like Wine and Proton don’t bridge the gap between architectures so people playing Windows games on Linux will have the same issue that Windows does on ARM hardware, but the open source ecosystem itself can just slide around.
x86 is dead. Has been for years. You’ve been using amd64. I am not referring to ARM
Differenciating amd64 as a different architecture is pedantry and in virtually all cases not useful for discussion.
I hat if I’m running a 32bit OS?
This is how capitalism shoots itself in the foot. It’s not actually the best system for progressing as quickly as possible.
x86 has been dead for years and you have been using amd64
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x86 has been dead for years. y’all are using amd64. Or do y’all not know the difference?
Which is a superset of x86; my AMD gaming machine can trace its roots all the way back to the IBM-5150.
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What are you smoking lmao
What are you smoking? x86 has been gone for years. Y’all are using amd64.
It’s always amusing when someone thinks they know something, then aggressively tells others, only to be wrong.
amd64, also known as x86_64 is an extension to x86. It’s still x86 in the same way a car is still a car even if you bolt a trailer onto it.
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x86_64 ?
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So he’ll pay again twice the amount of money, then run the company off a bigger cliff than it’s currently falling off already?
I’ll heat up the popcorn
Look at the way Tesla collects and treats customer data, and the way Musk seems to unilaterally abuse his control over the companies he owns for personal reasons.
Now think about the capabilities of the Intel Management Engine that pretty much every Intel CPU requires.
Bad vibes, I say.
For those feeling out of the loop, see here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
Tldr - it’s a little always on processor, running a Minix OS, with direct access to all board devices including the Ethernet Controller.
AMD has something similar in form of their Platform Security Processor.
I appreciate him doing this after intel lost their magic, otherwise, it would have been much harder emotionally.
They lost it in CPUs, but I think they’re actually nailing it in GPUs though (for once(at least for the budget/entry level))
They have what, 2 models? And in the GPU market, they aren’t even a pimple on the fly on the ass of nVidia or AMD
I’ve personally seen on at least 5 different Intel models on store shelves. The A380, A580 and the A750. Now the B580 and B570. The A380 stuck around but the others sold out fast from what I saw.
And though they aren’t nearly as large as the two giants, they seem to be aiming for and pleasing the under-served sub-$250 market. Though I wish they’d publish more official numbers. A 6 day slice from a retailer isn’t a great view on trends.
aiming for and pleasing the under-served sub-$250 market.
It’s already served by iGPUs and used dGPUs.
I shudder to think of the poor soul that is so clueless and not-actually-frugal that they look at their needs and say an intel dGPU is the best choice.
Eh unless they have the most efficient overall, they won’t make inroads into the server market. The entry level laptop and desktop markets are getting smaller and has less margins.
Any source you can cite?
Do you mean the efficiency question? I’m just deducing if they were competitive in servers Intel would jump at that opportunity.
As for the PC market, just looking at unit sales: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_computer_vendors
And as for margins, well the exact information is a bit hard to find but in general lower end products have tighter margins and the buyers for them are more price sensitive.
Oh sorry, yeah that was directed towards the comment that the desktop market is getting smaller. I’ve heard that “the desktop computer is dead” for over two decades now, so that wiki page is quite interesting.
I’d love to see the 2024 number once it gets published, because the 2020/1 numbers are such an anomalies from COVID that it’s hard to tell if the market’s actually shrinking or just stabilizing.
It likely will stabilize, but it might become more of an enthusiast market. People don’t necessarily need a PC anymore.
Issue is, Intel controls the x86 architecture which is in almost all desktop PCs…
budget/entry level
Shit nobody cares about because we have iGPUs for that purpose.
iGPUs suck ass, better than they’ve been in the past, but for gaming they’re still just what you use while you wait to get a dGPU
With handheld PCs’ resurgence, iGPUs are getting recognition. With my handheld PC, I can easily play most PC games, barring the latest AAA games, on it. It has basically transformed the way I play video games, and it is powered by a 12 CU RDNA 3 iGPU. I was blown away when it could play 2010s games at ultra settings, 1080p, 60 fps with just a 10-watt configured TDP.
Especially the latest Ryzen HX395. It’s an APU with a 40 CU RDNA iGPU. I think the current development is going on that direction.
For handhelds, a 720p resolution is very adequate, but not for a 27" Monitor
iGPUs do not “suck ass.” They’re built for purpose and fulfill that purpose quite well.
If you’re gaming, you’re better off buying a used dGPU made by AMD or Nvidia than a new GPU made by intel. I legitimately pity the fool who is buying an intel dGPU for gaming over used or new options from the other two.
But hey, I guess people like you need to feel different somehow so that’s what the market is there for.
Who wants to get in bed with Elon so he drives the brand into the ground? How much has Fidelity written down their investment in Twitter, 80%?
This is the only reputable outlet that had anything to say about it.
They reference SemiAccurate as the source, which I have not heard of before, but seems to have a solid track record with accurate reporting.
GET. FUCKED. MUSK.
I have to say, having an all-AMD setup makes me feel slightly okay today, even though AMD is just another shit company. At least it’s not in the running to be owned by that fucking tool.
The problem is not your own setup - the fact that Intel is still huge in the server market (and very likely will be for a long time as AMD still is not up to their level in some applications) is the concerning issue.
Yep, he’ll do it, the Trump administration will rubber stamp it. He’ll probably just keep doing such. Who knows what will happen when someone has all the money on the planet.
…I guess that person’s lineage just rules supreme however they like?
Elon is too self obsessed to properly train a successor.
I bet he is the type that would want his mind uploaded and that entity to be given all the wealth.
You don’t need to buy an entire company to control or profit from it… He’s really that dumb isn’t he. He could do the whole Black Rock thing and control every company in the world, instead he has this idea of just owning everything.
I’m starting to suspect the price speculation of things he owns is by his own hand, nothing to do with the market whatsoever.
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Please buy intel, its trash anyway. Musk is perfect fit since intel has been constantly fixing and bribing things to appear better than it is.
No responsible board should sell as much as a paper clip to this sociopathic weenis piss baby.
What? It worked out for Twitter shareholders though.
What bothers me about all these political posts is when people act surprised when profit seeking people act purely in their self interest.
I agree it’s bad, but it’s weird to be constantly mad about things so obvious like parasites acting parasitically.
Responsibility, shockingly, can refer to more than making money.
I thought the weenis was a dance?
I thought it was the skin of the elbow.
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Is there a way to hide images on lemmy?
These are very annoying and obnoxious.
I can lick my own weenis.
Responsible to who?
Of course they will sell if there’s a profit to be made. Companies exist to make profits, if they can make a profit from it, it’s actually their responsibility to the shareholders to do it.Maybe you mean responsible in some way that has to do with morals, but if you think morals apart from staying within the law, have any say in this whatsoever, you are being very naive. That’s not at all how the system works.
That said I don’t see any other way than corruption for Musk to be interested. Musk buys Intel, and Trump doubles the subsidies to Intel and give them extra sweet government contracts. And everybody profit, except the stupid taxpayers including those that voted Trump.
Only the law helps super capitalist narcissists to stay at least somewhat within moral norms.
And in USA the law doesn’t even count anymore. So there you go, everything is fucked up, until Americans figure it out. Which means it will be fucked up for a loooong time.Now give me an example of a corporate board at Intel’s scale being responsible when given the choice between being responsible or buttloads of short-term profits.
this is the company that at one time chose to buy mcafee.
But why!?
McAfee was a solid product in the beginning, it turned to crap after it’s admittedly crazy founder sold it off.
Yeah, dude is straight bat shit, but he made a good product. Buying McAfee wasn’t the mistake, ruining it was
I’d bet money McAfee has destroy more registries then it has protected.
Who gave him access to regex.exe?
Ultimately, the board doesn’t control who can buy stock.
This was always the inevitable outcome of capitalism. Just some rich lying dipshit buying the world.
I think elons would be needed to be broken down by government like the Rockefellers.
Yeah.
And there’s a very good chance that Elon spends his waning years in and out of every court, trying to stay out of jail.
Source: Rockefeller’s biography.
And that’s actually the optimistic version, from Elon’s perspective. There’s been plenty of rich assholes in history that didn’t have to worry about the courts.
I mean really depends whether or not he manages to continue to succesfully own the US government. He made basically statements along the lines of if trump loses the election he could go to jail. I assume he’s betting on either the trump administration killing democracy… or being able to buy the next election too. Or perhaps just often enough that the supreme court never gets fixed.
Yeah. Rockefeller pretty much owned the government in his heyday, too.
And then at some point he didn’t anymore. Money can buy power, but it does run out eventually.
Rockefeller was a lot smarter than Musk, and got a bit ahead of it with publicity stunt donations, before his influence ran out.
Musk thinks he can achieve a better outcome by controlling the media or the courts.
I think it’s objectively true that controlling the media does work, but I also think Musk wildly overestimates his own competence, and is in for a worse time than Rockefeller had.
Epstein doesn’t have to worry about the courts anymore
Not doing to happen in this political climate. The robber barons has nothing in the tech companies.
Musk-busting?
He hasn’t bought it yet, maybe everyone else will stay buying Intel stocks after this news and it’ll get too expensive for him.
Sounds terrible. I’m sure it’ll happen cuz we live in hell.
If Intel didn’t have yield issues for over a decade, wouldn’t they be much further ahead than AMD by now?
Kinda weird how their production problems conveniently coincide with what will keep them “neck n’ neck” with the competition for as long as possible.
Intel made some massive mistakes with their post 14nm nodes, they overextended and fell on their own sword.
Admittedly what Intel were aiming for with their “10nm” node had higher density than tsmc’s “7nm” (from memory), considering the timeframe that would have been another massive leap for Intel; and if they had pulled it off AMD would be struggling like the bulldozer days.
22nm to 14nm Intel were on fire, almost seemed untouchable for quite some time. X99 was (in my eyes) the biggest leap in the right direction and probably their best consumer platform ever released. Huge cache, moar cores, pcie lanes for days and a refresh on their latest node (6950x).
CLOWN WORLD
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Computers is a fucking hot song, the drums are on point, the buildup and energy screeching about vr porn, the singularity and black holes until it all halts for a sax solo. Don’t forget 3G.
You lot in the states need more of this and less of diddly tromp.
Multiple Cores.
Right, because Intel needs MORE problems.
They have to old slogan of intel inside ready to be rebranded as incel inside
Isn’t he busy enough buying the United States right now?
I thought that was bought and paid for already.
Yep. Citizens’ United guaranteed that by allowing corporations to funnel an unlimited amount of money into campaigns.
Just a heads up, if
spendingwasting egregious amounts of money didn’t influence the outcome of elections, why would people do it?It’s more of an ongoing project.
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