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Weren’t posts from RT and TASS downvoted even on ML?
It means Marxists-Leninists, not .ml instance. Posts from RT and TASS are downvoted on .ml because this instance is still federated by major nazi bars which can’t stand seeing anything breaking their carefully maintained USraeli information bubble.
Ah, it could be, yes. But I quickly checked a few popular instances and looks like OP was banned on many. For example: dbzero (profile), lemmy.world (profile), piefed.social (profile, no such user), lemmy.zip (profile).
So these post wasn’t visible to many, yet still downvoted (I assume mostly by local users). Some may argue that all sources are biased - I agree. However, the what OP posted wasn’t good. For example, you can check my other comment under a similar post: https://lemmy.ml/post/44675222/24621308.
Remember: Chomsky got tenure. Parenti got fired constantly.
There’s a reason the state allows anarchists to be platformed. They don’t organize and they don’t threaten capital.
“I don’t think Stalin is someone to be looked up to”
“REEEEEEEEEE”
I love how ignorant chuds are always attracted to these threads like moths to a flame.
Ableism is a bad look dude, find a better phrase
Just quoting the meme, bruh. Tell it to your tankie friend.
So are you better than that or not?
Nope
👍
“REEEEEEEEEE”
What does this mean?
Stalin is a flawed figure, but goddamn did he kill some Nazis
Murdering your own people = “flawed”? He was a monster. Him helping to defeat a different monster doesn’t change that.
I don’t consider the bourgeoisie to be our own people.
I don’t consider the bourgeoisie to be people.
He’s more of a son of a bitch than Randy Walters!
See this is what we’re talking about, you correctly see through some lazy capitalist mythologies (such as anarchists being mindless drug-addled destruction junkies with no political goals other than chaos) but fail to see through others, such as “Stalin was The Guy in charge of the USSR and he killed eighty bazillion people through nonspecific means, for no reason other than he was The Joker”.
Non specific means? Even if you ignore the orchestrated famine, He enacted paranoid political purges of engineers, scientists, academics, etc. Those are direct murders of people he didn’t like. And you’re over here like: he’s misunderstood. And your defense is: nuh uh/Whataboutism.
At no point did I defend capitalism. I said Stalin was a monster. And that’s an indisputable fact.
orchestrated famine
Utterly incorrect, as even “cold warrior” historians like Robert Conquest were forced to attest after the opening of the Soviet archives. And again, no motivation. Just “because evil”.
He enacted paranoid political purges of engineers, scientists, academics, etc
Getting rid of monarchist figureheads is Good, Actually. Unkess you want to argue that people like Nick Fuentes should just be left alone to spread fascism during the fragile birth of a revolution? Utterly unserious. And again: “He”. As if the Soviet union was ruled by one guy. An utterly historically illiterate take, you are simply repeating lazy mythology.
people he didn’t like
This is like when fascists say "you can’t just call people you disagree with nazis. Who were these people the Soviet union didn’t like? Might it have something to do with the genocide that was perpetrated on them, and the massive US invasion perpetrated before that? The fact that you cannot be specific at all is a dead giveaway that you’re just regurgitating childlike mythology, on the level of “Hamas hates Jews”.
And your defense is: nuh uh/Whataboutism.
Oh no, this is not a defense. History has shown that the actions of the Soviet union need very little defending. This is an attack on your Mormon-level incuriosity and refusal to engage with anything that challenges your mythology.
At no point did I defend capitalism
You did. You do. You pretend to oppose everyone while uncritically swallowing the most ridiculous capitalist propaganda about the people they fear. In 70 years there will be another version of you talking about Mandani’s communist genocide of new yorkers.
Stalin was a monster. And that’s an indisputable fact.
This is you wishcasting. You wish for it to be an indisputable fact, because you’ve built so much of your identity around it but fundamentally lack the knowledge to back it up. That’s why you fall back on religious truisms. In the end, your only defense for your willful ignorance is “it is known”: the chorus of the scared and incurious throughout history. And again, you frame him the The One Guy in charge when he was absolutely, unequivocally not. You have zero understanding of the subject and are desperately throwing out cold war cliches.
you’ve built so much of your identity around it but fundamentally lack the knowledge to back it up.
Liberals can’t back it up because they’ve never needed to because
I said Stalin was a monster. And that’s an indisputable fact.
Hell yeah dude, you’re 12
This is a good post! 🎉
Hell yeah dude, you’re 12!
I see someone hasn’t done the reading.
Start with an easy one, work your way up to the 19th century theory.
Source: Welsh Underground Network https://share.google/hhOibo9wTsGbvooLi
What part of this book which both confirms and agrees there were many politically motivated murders/imprisonments (even if it argues they were fewer than other sources claim) makes Stalin not a monster? It’s arguing over the scale of the bad shit he did, not whether he did it or not. Holy shit.
Stalin is not a monster because monsters aren’t real.
It’s arguing over the scale of the bad shit he did, not whether he did it or not.
The scale of bad shit he did you got from lifelong exposure to anti-communist propaganda. This misinformation isn’t neutral. It has a clear goal, and billions of dollars behind it over the last 100+ years, because the capitalist class fears nothing more than communism, because to date it’s been the only successful alternative to capitalism.
Your own source said he murdered a ton of people. That’s a bad person, regardless of the economic system the country they lead used. Why is that such a hard thing to grasp?
If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.
Your own source said he murdered a ton of people.
I didn’t provide any sources.
If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.
Nazi = stalins (a communist) own people?
The context clues in my statement show that’s clearly not remotely close to what I said. Fuck, this community is full of the illiterate.
Abraham Lincoln also “murdered his own people”,
The differences are-
The Soviet Union was never a safe haven
for fascists and other right-wing extremists,
so no slave owners fled over there to claim
that Lincoln “destroyed their family business forever”. -
The Soviet Union never paraded US Afro-nationalists that would make claim that since they’re oppressed,
that the lack of population growth of Afro-Americans
compared to Euro-Americans,
should be counted of dead Afro-nationalist victims at the hands
of Abraham Lincoln and other US presidents. -
Like every US president,
Abraham Lincoln oppressed the indigenous people of the US,
which I will count as ‘own people’ and that equals at least 300 million people,
because that’s what the population would have been if they hadn’t been viciously
and brutally murdered at the hands of the Usonians during US history.
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Queen Victoria killed like 80 million of her own subjects, literally in the name of capitalism, but nobody ever talks about that. It’s all “Stalin and Mao!” This is deeply misogynistic, erasing the fact that a powerful woman did it better first.
#girlboss #slayqueen
Who here was glorifying Queen Victoria? Not me.
But a dozen of you are tripping over yourself to defend Stalin. For no reason. Seems you’re the misogynists here. You love Stalin despite him falling short of a woman’s (who you hate) accomplishments.
Being born into royalty and, by pure happenstance, becoming empress of the largest empire in history at its zenith is no accomplishment.
So you’re changing your own argument, now? It’s more impressive that Stalin worked his way up the ladder before killing all those people? That’s what you admire?
You’re very bad at this, and you’re convincing no one. We know what Stalin actually did & didn’t do, because we’ve actually investigated. We grew up under exactly the same propaganda as you, but all you’ve got is that unexamined propaganda, which we’ve examined and found wanting.
So you DON’T hate her for killing tens of millions of children? Wow. You seem VERY problematic.
Even if we believed the wildly exaggerated numbers from the black book of communism, that still doesn’t compare to the victims of capitalism, Churchill alone killed millions in Bengal but you don’t care about that do you
Ah but you see Bengalis are brown so they tuned everything after that out.
I’m not the one defending atrocities, you guys are. Whataboutism doesn’t stop the guy YOU’RE actively choosing to idolize from being terrible.
Let’s start with the basics, do you condemn Churchill?
Come on, you already know what they are going to say to that.
If your claim is that he’s bad because he killed people and we show that capitalists killed more people that seems like a relevant counterargument, no? Or do bad things only count when state department propaganda agrees with you?
What do you think you’re countering with that argument? No one was discussing communism vs capitalism in this argument. Just: Stalin was an evil man.
Saying someone else was more evil doesn’t unmurder all those people, does it? You’ve countered no part of anyone’s argument because no one mentioned anything about what you think you’ve countered. You just tried to distract from the fact that you idolize a piece of shit. It’s bizarre you can’t grasp that.
Glorifying a murder doesn’t help gather support for your economic system of choice. Get a better face for your movement.
"If I condemn everything and everyone, that makes me the most pure! Actually try to make the world better? That would only degrade my purity!’
It’s incredible to me you’re being downvoted. He ordered the execution of thousands of political opponents, and put millions into forced labor camps. These people are as brainwashed as MAGAts, it’s shameful that leftists can become this stupid.
Um… How exactly is the execution of “thousands” of Nazis and monarchists and forcing them to shovel snow something bad that only “brainwashed” people would defend? I think you are confused here
Oh yeah all 2-3 million people involved in Dekulakization were Nazis or monarchists.
They weren’t. They were peasants and regular people like you and me.
You’re delusional, and anyone here who thinks like you is also delusional. You believe that because the US has a capitalist dictator that the solution is a Communist dictator, but it’s not.
Kulaks were a class of bourgeois farmers that employed slave-like labor. Dekulakization was the process of ending that slave-like mode of production. I don’t imagine you refer to the American Civil War as “Lincoln murdering millions of his own people,” do you? Stalin was elected, and did not have absolute power. The socialist system in the USSR required collective decision making, and could not have been run or dominated by a single person, no matter how influential said person may be.
Since how are rich people “peasants”? Aren’t you contradicting yourself here? That’s pretty delusional right?
Is there “communist dictator” in the room with us?
I am once again pointing impatiently to the first several sentences of the 1956 internal CIA memo entitled “Comments on the change in Soviet leadership”, which says, verbatim:
Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The western idea of a dictator within the communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the communist power structure. Stalin, though holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team
The arrogance it takes to assume what people who have studied more than you think when you yourself are operating in complete ignorance of the facts. Perfectly liberal of you.
