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If I didn’t have to wait for games I’m anticipating before release to work on Linux, I would have happily learned how to use Linux years ago. I pretty much only use my PC as an entertainment system; games, movies/tv, internet use. I like to mod my games and modding on Windows has become so easy that it’s actually feasible to help my PC inept friends get a working load order without committing a weekend. Unless the larger nexus modding community as a majority switch to Linux, I don’t see myself switching for a long time
It’s still pretty heavily work progress, but I recommend that you at least keep an eye on the Nexus mods app, It’s designed to be compatible with both Windows and Linux, but it’s as of yet only compatible with a few games and doesn’t yet update properly, But that’s one of the things they’re working on sooner rather than later from what I’ve seen.
Most games work day one these days with proton. How is modding more difficult on Linux? I feel like it’s easier, but maybe I’m just used to it.
True especially when you consider indie titles.
Most people don’t even know what a browser is, let alone an os
Yes they do. They know a Mac is different to a PC and they know a phone isn’t the same as a desktop. They just don’t know what that’s called. They still have an intuitive understanding. They still understand that phones do annoying things like denying file system access. They understand that Microsoft products make it harder to save files for no reason. Most people understand the appeal of Linux if you explain it in familiar language. They’ve just been conditioned by society to fear change.
sorry man you are a perfect example of the comic.
cause most people also dont know what denying system file access even means.Drag is using language you can understand easily, because drag is talking to you. To a normal person, drag would say “You know how on your phone, you can’t just look at your files? Like you have a separate app for photos, and documents, and you can’t just look at all your files from one app like you can on PC? Well, you can actually if you use an android. Here’s the app that does it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.nbu.files&hl=en_AU”
Drag even casually named an operating system during that speech, and would have been understood perfectly by most people.
Kids today barely know what a file is. I have to regularly explain folders and file types. When I asked them where they saved a thing, they answer “On the computer” and look at me like I’m crazy for asking that.
yes, because folders are not something thats really worthwhile in a filesystem. they’re a vestige of an earlier time.
Folders, or directories, really, may not be worthwhile, but when you have more than fifteen files, they’re quite convenient.
Userspace concept is my point dont need them in the file system itself
folders are a convenient organization strategy
Keep dreaming, people will keep on using Windows because they don’t care about the bloat, they just want something that works and that doesn’t require fucking around for hours every time they plug something new in!
I use Linux myself, but my work laptop they gave me is windows. I can honestly say that I believe in near future the average Linux experience is going to be smoother than windows. Because I cannot believe how insanely annoying windows 11 is. It’s really not good. And modern Linux has more than good enough software and hardware compatibility.
But of course it’s gonna take a long while before Linux overtakes windows because social inertia. And that’s not gonna change easily because there is no humongous international corporation that spends billions every year to get their Linux based OS pre-installed on almost every new computer.
My work laptop was your standard Dell with windows and M365. I am now able to dual boot Linux, which is what my computer boots into by default now.
I can honestly say that in the current day, Linux Mint gives a much smoother experience on the same hardware. It even supports multiple monitors better.
I will grant that I’m a computer nerd like plenty of others here, so there may be some speed bumps that didn’t even register for me. But everything from installation, to daily use, to updates, is SO much smoother and faster.
“It even supports multiple monitors better.”
Lol what?
In windows I can only use 3 monitors. If I open up the laptop to introduce a 4th screen in windows, a pair of my monitors will Be duplicating the dang image.
In Mint I tried the same and it just worked, 4 individual monitors without issue.
I run 4 on Windows and Mint on a daily basis and setting it up on Mint was a worse experience… Sounds like a you issue if you can’t get it to work on Windows.
Sounds like a you issue if you had trouble with Mint. Right click the desktop -> display settings and oh look, 4 monitors to easily configure. Sounds kind of silly without more information doesn’t it?
My hardware at work is all Dell stuff so good chance it’s their fault. But it still doesn’t affect the Linux side.
It really is amazing how I can mess up Linux installs for the weirdest of reasons.
Install arch from scratch on a laptop? Now it either doesn’t go to sleep when you close the laptop or a kernel panick.
Manjaro? Edited the config for the touchpad (of course it’s a random config file that you have to change line by line and read 3 wiki pages for, because Linux) because it doesn’t feel like windows and ran updates from the built in manager within the os. Now it doesn’t boot at all and causes the boot logo to ghost while using windows 10 installed on another partition.
Pop_os? Worked mostly fine, used it for months, broke it only once when using the built in package manager somehow fixed it, but stopped using that laptop and now I can’t boot into it at all.
Not to mention all of the software that partially doesn’t work or work at all. Like, my personal choice for image editing is paint.net, it’s not a useless meme like MS Paint, but also isn’t the equivalent of using a bucket wheel excavator for digging a hole in your backyard like Gimp. It also doesn’t work on Linux at all
i doubt the average user even understands what an operating system means and they’ll just go with thatever it came with
Can confirm, I am a windows user and if my laptop came with Linux preinstalled, the way it had windows preinstalled, I’d be a Linux user.
If I ever have to Google what the hell a kernel is then I have read everything else available on the internet.
To be fair, I’m using Linux, MacOS with Darwin Nix for managing it, Windows, and I still am not sure what exactly is an operating system, what’s the role of kernel and all of the possible system software is. Well, I think kernel is for hardware abstraction, but other than that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The kernel does stuff like
- process and CPU task management
- hardware abstraction
- memory management (at the process level),
- file system managment
- and resource isolation (such as randomized memory addresses (ASLR))
The rest of the OS provides the actual software that users interact with, like
- file managers
- desktop rendering and window management
- settings menus
- sound mixing between applications
- graphics rendering
Windows 10 was actually ok when you got past some of the awful stuff. Nowhere as good as 7, but it did the job for me for years.
Windows 11 got announced though and I immediately switched to Linux lol.
I still dualboot 10 since it’s better then 11 and still supported, I don’t feel brave switching to linux completely.
Yeah I honestly legit enjoyed my fond time with old Windows machines back when they were fun and user-oriented instead of the user-exploitative SAAS monsters they are now.
Win10 wasn’t even SO bad as everyone says…well, until recently when they started forcing Microsoft Accounts on install and harass you with their ads every 3 forced updates. Ugh.
Now they’re on the Ai bandwagon? Yeah they’re real small in my rearview mirror now.
I think it’s just a different landscape now, and I’m glad Linux was there to jump to after all these companies started losing their collective minds.
Worked on me, I finally switched (like, REALLY switched) on my primary PC this year after using Linux only for servers and hobby projects for a long time. My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows. I’d have to make it to my mid 80’s just to break even.
Valve gets all the credit. Gaming was the main thing holding me back all this time.
Same here and for me too it was gaming holding me back, though I mostly buy my games via GoG hence use Lutris and it’ve had a pretty low rate of games that won’t work at all (and, curiously, one of them which won’t work in Steam works fine if I use a pirated version with Lutris), though maybe 1/3 require some tweaking to work properly.
It’s also interesting that by gaming in Linux with Lutris I can make it safer and protect my privacy because Lutris let’s me do things like run the game inside a firejail sandbox which I have set up as default for all games including disabling network access for the game.
Still have the Windows partition around just in case, though the only time I booted it in the last several months was to clean up some of the stuff to free one of the disks to make it a dedicated Linux disk.
Yeah I haven’t completely gotten rid of Windows. I have it installed on another SSD but in the last 8 months since I switched, I’ve only needed it for Dyson Sphere Project (needed AutoHotKey), Deadlock (crashes too often in Linux and they ban you for 2 hours every time you leave a game), and whenever I feel like playing C&C Generals which for some reason runs like absolute dogshit on my Linux box despite everything else working fine.
But that Windows SSD has nothing, NOTHING on it but Steam games and Winamp. Microsoft isn’t getting access to a damn thing anymore when it comes to personal data. I’m tired of protecting myself against them, and FFS I’ve been a Microsoft backoffice sysadmin for over 25 years so I know how, but I’m still sick of it! I don’t even surf the web on that install. I play my game and when I’m done I boot back to Tumbleweed!
Gonna have to look into Lutris, I really like the idea of that sandboxing!
For sandboxing in Lutris you’ll want to have a look at the “Command Prefix” option under “Runner options” - whatever you put there prefixes the command that runs the game, which is exactly how sandboxing with things like firejail works (i.e. you start your stuff from the command line with firejail firejail-args your-stuff your-stuff-args so you literally prefix your command with firejail).
It’s possible to configure it game by game and also as a global default for all games which you can then override for only some games (this later is how I run it).
Lutris also integrates with Steam so you can run Steam games from it.
My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows.
I hear that, I’ve been using Windows since '98, and only had Linux on my primary computer for a few weeks. I didn’t think I’ll be going back even though HDR support is spotty.
HDR support is spotty but holy fuck was it bad when I was using windows
Playing my HDR game? Add a few seconds of loading time while my screen turns off and then on. In game it’s fine, but alt-tab, or receive a notification while playing, and the screen has to turn off and on again to display the SDR content, which takes long enough for the notification to be gone anyway. I can’t even tell you how good or bad the HDR is on my screen lmao
7800x3D / 7900XTX / Samsung Neo G9 OLED, so really it’s not an hardware issue
I’ve been using Windows since 3.11. I’ve been supporting it for a career since 1998 (although almost entirely servers not desktops for the last 23 years). I’m tired of Microsoft’s bullshit.
On the other hand, my expertise at resolving their (server) bullshit over the last couple decades sure did pay well. So I guess it wasn’t all bad. But these days they can kiss my ass.
MacOS: Am I a joke to you?
Absolutely
Yes.
Hay guys, wanna hear a joke?
What distro did the sysadmin suggest when someone was sick of Windows?
Mac Os.
Must be a inexperienced admin then
MacOS: Am I a joke to you?
MacOS (X) used to be the absolute best operating system around but ever since Apple became a phone company and Macs are merely an afterthought, macOS is indeed mostly a joke, not because the technological foundation is bad (actually that is quite good) but because of Apple’s dumb commercial decisions: The absolutely dumbest thing is Metal (their non-standard take on DirectX), deprecating OpenGL, and not adopting Vulkan.
OpenIndiana (Solaris), OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Haiku, AROS (AmigaOS), GNU Hurd, MINIX, ReactOS, TempleOS and others: allow us to introduce ourselves…
I spent today trying to install a USB WiFi dongle in Debian. On Windows it took about 5 seconds, I still haven’t got it working on Debian.
What brand? In my experience Linux is very persnickety about USB Wifi/Bluetooth adapters.
When I was buying mine a couple years back I had several failures before finding some kind of master list of supported devices.
I dont have the list anymore, but everything I bought was TP-Link cause TP-Link appeared very frequently in the list from what i recall.
I only buy accessories that will work without having to manually install anything. The whole concept of end users installing drivers can go to hell.
i have been lucky with all my computers and peripherals, everything worked out of the box. but there’s a weird issue in our household, none of the windows machines can connect or stay connected to our wifi but all phones and linux machines have no issues…
Is it one of those ASUS or similar ones? There is a wifi dongle that has drivers for linux, and says on the box linux support, but actually both the kernel and the provided drivers for the chipset are broken, you need to clone the github of the CHIP manufacturer, and compile it. After that, it works.
Yep, had to fuck around for a while on Mint, managed to get it working with a driver found on GitHub and disabling the default driver and making sure it’s plugged in an USB 3.0 port… As you say, plug and play on Windows.
I expected the punchline to be “for me to poop on”.
I’ll be that guy. Up to ME it was pretty good and it just worked. Then it took up the every other version being good thing that we’re used to up to 10. It’s only really now that they’re trying to kill 10 and push us onto 11 that it’s really become a problem.
I don’t even know what to call this absurd reality you’ve invented.
Lemmy user hallucination.
Quite the drug.
Copium.
Steamdeck made many times more Linux users than Windows ever did.
Copium
🤮
its actually not that bad once you scrape away all the crud.
problem is, its annoying to do and they keep re-enabling it and coming up with new crud.
Truly 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop. no notes.
It’ll probably be 2025, when adoption hits 5% a few months before Windows 10 support ends. The 5% will make people take Linux more seriously when looking for alternatives to Windows 10, which will increase adoption even more, which will cause hardware and software providers to offer better Linux support, which will just cause the whole thing to snowball.
Well, this was probably also anticipated with win 8 and 10, but it (sadly) didn’t happen.
And xp bud, Linux users are highly deluded about what makes a good desktop OS. Look at how many of them enjoy gnome 🤮
The “year of the Linux desktop” was ages ago when Intel started developing drivers upstream in Linux, Mesa, and Xorg. This lead do AMD and others doing the same. None of the current developments, including Steam Deck, would have happened without that.
It was actually 2022, the year when steam deck released. The proton compatibility shot through the roof. Linux now supports a far wider array of software than MacOS, even.
Proton is amazing. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run great in Linux Mint.
I find myself actually considering paying 30$ a year for prolonged windows 10 support because I find the switch to linux really overwhelming. Like being sent grocery shopping, but all lables are in traditional chinese. Some things you can figure out very easily, but troubleshooting anything takes me days.
You could try OpenSUSE, it has Yast2 GTK GUI control panel for everything, no command line needed. Assuming CLI is what you find troublesome.
And GUI package manager
Fair disclosure, I personally run OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, BUT…
Honestly for this situation I think Linux Mint might be your on-ramp. It’s very familiar from a user experience perspective from someone coming from Windows, and everything can be done with GUI apps.
It updates the entire system smoothly through an “app store” so it stays nice and secure. “Cinnamon” is also a highly attractive and smooth desktop environment.
I’ve switched a few people to it who were sick of Windows on older machines, but NOT computer people at all, and they’ve enjoyed it a lot! The nicest thing is it will feel like your computer again, not like you’re leasing it from Microsoft.
Don’t try and “completely switch over” in one go.
Look up how to try Linux in a virtual machine on your existing setup (so you don’t have to risk anything!) and just try it and play around with installing and using it.
An old laptop or something is also a great way to try it out.
You can always dual-boot if you want. I sure did for a while until Win10 started BSODing for no discernable reason, and refused to let me “refresh this PC” because “Sorry, can’t. Goodbye.”
I still have it, just in case, but it’s been most of the year since I’ve even bothered logging into it.
If you game: you’ll want Heroic Launcher for your GoG/EA stuff, and Steam of course, and maybe Bottles to run your old CD/DVD games maybe. :)
Sometimes things take a little tweaking, but Mint’s community is fantastic and helpful. You really will start to learn a lot about computers just by using Linux a little and trying things, while Windows makes every effort to hide things from you. (“wE’rE gEtTiNg ThInGs ReAdY” who’s “we”?!)
As you start to get comfortable with it, it will grow with you. You can start trying to get the hang of the terminal, or jump to another distro once you learn why you might prefer to.
But you really can’t go wrong just trying Mint out. It’s overall just a pleasant OS.
ProTip: You’ll be asked about a file system when you install any distro. I spent COUNTLESS HOURS on researching this question. BTRFS can be a bit of an advanced file system, but if you just “set it and forget it”, it has the ability to take incremental snapshots without taking a ton of space! So if something really goes south, you can use an app called “Timeshift” to just roll back.
This is great for your root drive / partition, but I wouldn’t suggest it for your home folder. :)
(Just like Windows rollback used to do, but…more reliable lol)
Lol sorry for the ramble but I hope this might help you feel a little less lost at the grocery store. ;)
Lol sorry for the ramble but I hope this might help you feel a little less lost at the grocery store. ;)
Thank you for your detailed comment. :)
I am dual booting Linux Mint Cinnamon, and you are totally right. The “app store” is very nice and I was honestly impressed how much control Cinnamon offered and made it accessible for beginners through GUI. It felt more streamlined than Win10 in some places. Steam’s Proton is also a huge deal, as most games work great with it enabled out of the box. I do however often feel lost. I didn’t expect that but the thing most difficult for me is basic stuff, like navigating the start menu. I really like the customization Win10 offered and miss it dearly.
I guess it is part not having a feeling on how Cinnamon works yet. After using Windows since 2006 I know my way around it failry well, and I don’t have that “gut-feeling” in Linux yet. It will come with time, but atm I am feeling a little defeated.
If you send me a message on matrix or a dm here I can help you with that unlimited no strings attached, I have over 10 years of experience and am very free!
That’s very nice of you!
Nah, I have ulterior motives, the more people on linux, the more support linux gets, the easier it is to move people to linux, the more support it gets…
And I can’t stand using windows.
I personally won’t pay for the extra security updates, and will switch to Linux, but like you said, it’ll be very overwhelming at first. I’ve used kubuntu on my laptop for a while now, but it’s hard to rewrite my own software for Linux because it uses native system APIs.
I get it. I also don’t want to signal to Microsoft that switching to a subscription model is valid, for an OS I already payed for. I worry they’ll adapt it for all services released in the future, which are declining in quality. They are basically becoming Adobes ugly sibling.
I know, this is a contradictory statement to what I have written before which was driven by frustration mainly. Managed to troubleshoot a few things since then.
I have to say that I am getting pretty good at Linux. I use it on my gaming desktop, my 8 year old Lenovo, on a specialized workstation at work, and I have two servers running it. It’s approaching general utility.
That said, I am being defeated by Broadcom wireless drivers on a HP Enterprise laptop. They aren’t just working, and the wireless soft switch isn’t just turning on. Until we can get to the point where the average user can just try a bunch of .deb (or whatever) files until they hit the jackpot, it isn’t going to be as easily adopted.
That’s defo Broadcom’s fault. Unfortunately when Linux is a second class citizen, hardware vendors will make crappy Windows and maybe Mac drivers, but a lot of Linux support seems like it needs to be reverse engineered or something, if the company itself refuses to play ball. :(
This was the case with NVIDIA for a long while. Still kinda is. Hopefully that’s improving though.
It is absolutely Broadcom’s fault, but it’s also still the state of things.
Thanks to Ubuntu, Mint is quite well endowed with functional software. If it can receive the same level of support as Windows or MacOS, it will probably outpace them both.
