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I use Windows 11 without an MS account and with Classic Shell. You can hardly tell a difference. I will continue using it. Because I can’t be bothered not to. It also came with my computer (well, W10 did but the upgrade worked painlessly).
The “without an MS account” is the hard part. Don’t you have to basically use a hidden debug feature to actually do that on install in windows 11 ? And then if it’s anything like windows 10, they might trick you into tying the OS to your account if you log into it for visual studio/office/Windows store or whatever, that happened to me on my laptop and it was a major pain in the ass to revert
It’s been some time, but IIRC, I downloaded W11 onto a flashdrive with the MS media creation tool, booted of this drive and did a fresh install over my W10 installation. In this process I wiped my disk. Before that I googled what to do in order to be able to install without an internet connection. This allowed me to complete the installation without an MS account. This procedure might have changed since then. AFAIK there are still some hoops you can jump through in order to get it running without an MS account.
its actually not that bad once you scrape away all the crud.
problem is, its annoying to do and they keep re-enabling it and coming up with new crud.
Copium.
Steamdeck made many times more Linux users than Windows ever did.
Copium
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If I didn’t have to wait for games I’m anticipating before release to work on Linux, I would have happily learned how to use Linux years ago. I pretty much only use my PC as an entertainment system; games, movies/tv, internet use. I like to mod my games and modding on Windows has become so easy that it’s actually feasible to help my PC inept friends get a working load order without committing a weekend. Unless the larger nexus modding community as a majority switch to Linux, I don’t see myself switching for a long time
It’s still pretty heavily work progress, but I recommend that you at least keep an eye on the Nexus mods app, It’s designed to be compatible with both Windows and Linux, but it’s as of yet only compatible with a few games and doesn’t yet update properly, But that’s one of the things they’re working on sooner rather than later from what I’ve seen.
Most games work day one these days with proton. How is modding more difficult on Linux? I feel like it’s easier, but maybe I’m just used to it.
True especially when you consider indie titles.
Most people don’t even know what a browser is, let alone an os
Yes they do. They know a Mac is different to a PC and they know a phone isn’t the same as a desktop. They just don’t know what that’s called. They still have an intuitive understanding. They still understand that phones do annoying things like denying file system access. They understand that Microsoft products make it harder to save files for no reason. Most people understand the appeal of Linux if you explain it in familiar language. They’ve just been conditioned by society to fear change.
sorry man you are a perfect example of the comic.
cause most people also dont know what denying system file access even means.Drag is using language you can understand easily, because drag is talking to you. To a normal person, drag would say “You know how on your phone, you can’t just look at your files? Like you have a separate app for photos, and documents, and you can’t just look at all your files from one app like you can on PC? Well, you can actually if you use an android. Here’s the app that does it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.nbu.files&hl=en_AU”
Drag even casually named an operating system during that speech, and would have been understood perfectly by most people.
Kids today barely know what a file is. I have to regularly explain folders and file types. When I asked them where they saved a thing, they answer “On the computer” and look at me like I’m crazy for asking that.
yes, because folders are not something thats really worthwhile in a filesystem. they’re a vestige of an earlier time.
folders are a convenient organization strategy
Folders, or directories, really, may not be worthwhile, but when you have more than fifteen files, they’re quite convenient.
Userspace concept is my point dont need them in the file system itself
The way everyone talked about Linux, I thought it would be a transient interest I would eventually tire of. I’ve known a lot of professors who say they liked Linux back in the 90s, but decided they couldn’t keep up with it, and have gone back to windows/apple.
I never anticipated that 4 years ago, when I booted up Linux for the first time, that it would also be the last time I shut down Windows. Furthermore, the likelihood of me ever going back seems to be getting smaller and smaller every day.
Keep dreaming, people will keep on using Windows because they don’t care about the bloat, they just want something that works and that doesn’t require fucking around for hours every time they plug something new in!
It really is amazing how I can mess up Linux installs for the weirdest of reasons.
Install arch from scratch on a laptop? Now it either doesn’t go to sleep when you close the laptop or a kernel panick.
Manjaro? Edited the config for the touchpad (of course it’s a random config file that you have to change line by line and read 3 wiki pages for, because Linux) because it doesn’t feel like windows and ran updates from the built in manager within the os. Now it doesn’t boot at all and causes the boot logo to ghost while using windows 10 installed on another partition.
Pop_os? Worked mostly fine, used it for months, broke it only once when using the built in package manager somehow fixed it, but stopped using that laptop and now I can’t boot into it at all.
Not to mention all of the software that partially doesn’t work or work at all. Like, my personal choice for image editing is paint.net, it’s not a useless meme like MS Paint, but also isn’t the equivalent of using a bucket wheel excavator for digging a hole in your backyard like Gimp. It also doesn’t work on Linux at all
i doubt the average user even understands what an operating system means and they’ll just go with thatever it came with
To be fair, I’m using Linux, MacOS with Darwin Nix for managing it, Windows, and I still am not sure what exactly is an operating system, what’s the role of kernel and all of the possible system software is. Well, I think kernel is for hardware abstraction, but other than that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The kernel does stuff like
- process and CPU task management
- hardware abstraction
- memory management (at the process level),
- file system managment
- and resource isolation (such as randomized memory addresses (ASLR))
The rest of the OS provides the actual software that users interact with, like
- file managers
- desktop rendering and window management
- settings menus
- sound mixing between applications
- graphics rendering
Can confirm, I am a windows user and if my laptop came with Linux preinstalled, the way it had windows preinstalled, I’d be a Linux user.
If I ever have to Google what the hell a kernel is then I have read everything else available on the internet.
I use Linux myself, but my work laptop they gave me is windows. I can honestly say that I believe in near future the average Linux experience is going to be smoother than windows. Because I cannot believe how insanely annoying windows 11 is. It’s really not good. And modern Linux has more than good enough software and hardware compatibility.
But of course it’s gonna take a long while before Linux overtakes windows because social inertia. And that’s not gonna change easily because there is no humongous international corporation that spends billions every year to get their Linux based OS pre-installed on almost every new computer.
My work laptop was your standard Dell with windows and M365. I am now able to dual boot Linux, which is what my computer boots into by default now.
I can honestly say that in the current day, Linux Mint gives a much smoother experience on the same hardware. It even supports multiple monitors better.
I will grant that I’m a computer nerd like plenty of others here, so there may be some speed bumps that didn’t even register for me. But everything from installation, to daily use, to updates, is SO much smoother and faster.
“It even supports multiple monitors better.”
Lol what?
In windows I can only use 3 monitors. If I open up the laptop to introduce a 4th screen in windows, a pair of my monitors will Be duplicating the dang image.
In Mint I tried the same and it just worked, 4 individual monitors without issue.
I run 4 on Windows and Mint on a daily basis and setting it up on Mint was a worse experience… Sounds like a you issue if you can’t get it to work on Windows.
Sounds like a you issue if you had trouble with Mint. Right click the desktop -> display settings and oh look, 4 monitors to easily configure. Sounds kind of silly without more information doesn’t it?
My hardware at work is all Dell stuff so good chance it’s their fault. But it still doesn’t affect the Linux side.
Linuxmemes should instigate a new rule.
Replies should not be serious, boring and/or don’t to know seem to know what a stupid memepost is for.
Windows users should be rebutting this with equally stupid memes about xorg.conf or cups or maybe another panel where death is unable to kill windows because it lost the archlinux-keyring to unlock the scythe.
Thing is, and I say that as a windows user with a little experience in linux: I got no idea what you are talking about, and I doubt many windows users do.
Make some other stupid meme or joke that windows does understand then. Maybe it turns our death is secretly using adobe creative cloud on a windows to design the gravestones.
I m not going on /c/windowsmemes to make boring serious complaints about why I don’t understand regedit.
You’ve got to at least to be funny about it on a meme, otherwise it’s just depressing. Theres enough deprssing shit on the serious linux forums.
Or maybe there should be a new meme community linuxwindowstrollbait that is for snarky comments.
Or maybe I just stop moaning and unsubscribe fron this one.
Jesus. How did you get that from what I have written
Windows 10 was actually ok when you got past some of the awful stuff. Nowhere as good as 7, but it did the job for me for years.
Windows 11 got announced though and I immediately switched to Linux lol.
Yeah I honestly legit enjoyed my fond time with old Windows machines back when they were fun and user-oriented instead of the user-exploitative SAAS monsters they are now.
Win10 wasn’t even SO bad as everyone says…well, until recently when they started forcing Microsoft Accounts on install and harass you with their ads every 3 forced updates. Ugh.
Now they’re on the Ai bandwagon? Yeah they’re real small in my rearview mirror now.
I think it’s just a different landscape now, and I’m glad Linux was there to jump to after all these companies started losing their collective minds.
I still dualboot 10 since it’s better then 11 and still supported, I don’t feel brave switching to linux completely.
WSL is the best thing that’s ever happened to windows
I found WSL kinda useless when it first came out, you didn’t have any low level access and they explicitly refused ssh connections unless you paid for windows professional and interacting with files on windows was either impossible or just very buggy I’m still not quite sure which, I think the problem was that they used the wrong slash in the file system and most programs that interacted with it didn’t understand that, not to mention networking was a chore.
it’s interesting they call it windows subsystem for linux
- oh, so it’s a subsystem for Linux?
- no, it’s a windows subsystem
- …for Linux?
- kind of, I guess
“Linux is open source and free! You can do whatever you want with it! It’s our thing!”
Microsoft: “Whatever I want with it?..Free?..Hm…This is my thing .”
Yeah Windows subsystems to operate Linux
WSL is the best thing that’s ever happened to windows
WSL is great but the NT kernel was/is more important, then userspace GPU drivers (which Linux still lacks), then WSL.
People now in their 20s don’t realize how utterly bad Win9x and then the first consumer grade NT-based WinXP were (and those older may have forgotten). Win7, 10, and 11 are paradise by comparison. These days I can cope with Windows. I don’t love it but it’s not a daily cause of anger like the Windows dark ages. Heck, winget even makes software installation bearable.
Winget-ui (renamed to something annoying I choose not to remember) is pretty great. Does Winget, Choco, pip, and some others. Better package manager ui by far than the laggy garbage on a lot of Linux distros, even if you do have to deal with annoying UAC nonsense on the regular.
Wsl = very cut down version of linux
Except for virtualization
Worked on me, I finally switched (like, REALLY switched) on my primary PC this year after using Linux only for servers and hobby projects for a long time. My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows. I’d have to make it to my mid 80’s just to break even.
Valve gets all the credit. Gaming was the main thing holding me back all this time.
Same here and for me too it was gaming holding me back, though I mostly buy my games via GoG hence use Lutris and it’ve had a pretty low rate of games that won’t work at all (and, curiously, one of them which won’t work in Steam works fine if I use a pirated version with Lutris), though maybe 1/3 require some tweaking to work properly.
It’s also interesting that by gaming in Linux with Lutris I can make it safer and protect my privacy because Lutris let’s me do things like run the game inside a firejail sandbox which I have set up as default for all games including disabling network access for the game.
Still have the Windows partition around just in case, though the only time I booted it in the last several months was to clean up some of the stuff to free one of the disks to make it a dedicated Linux disk.
Yeah I haven’t completely gotten rid of Windows. I have it installed on another SSD but in the last 8 months since I switched, I’ve only needed it for Dyson Sphere Project (needed AutoHotKey), Deadlock (crashes too often in Linux and they ban you for 2 hours every time you leave a game), and whenever I feel like playing C&C Generals which for some reason runs like absolute dogshit on my Linux box despite everything else working fine.
But that Windows SSD has nothing, NOTHING on it but Steam games and Winamp. Microsoft isn’t getting access to a damn thing anymore when it comes to personal data. I’m tired of protecting myself against them, and FFS I’ve been a Microsoft backoffice sysadmin for over 25 years so I know how, but I’m still sick of it! I don’t even surf the web on that install. I play my game and when I’m done I boot back to Tumbleweed!
Gonna have to look into Lutris, I really like the idea of that sandboxing!
For sandboxing in Lutris you’ll want to have a look at the “Command Prefix” option under “Runner options” - whatever you put there prefixes the command that runs the game, which is exactly how sandboxing with things like firejail works (i.e. you start your stuff from the command line with firejail firejail-args your-stuff your-stuff-args so you literally prefix your command with firejail).
It’s possible to configure it game by game and also as a global default for all games which you can then override for only some games (this later is how I run it).
Lutris also integrates with Steam so you can run Steam games from it.
My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows.
I hear that, I’ve been using Windows since '98, and only had Linux on my primary computer for a few weeks. I didn’t think I’ll be going back even though HDR support is spotty.
HDR support is spotty but holy fuck was it bad when I was using windows
Playing my HDR game? Add a few seconds of loading time while my screen turns off and then on. In game it’s fine, but alt-tab, or receive a notification while playing, and the screen has to turn off and on again to display the SDR content, which takes long enough for the notification to be gone anyway. I can’t even tell you how good or bad the HDR is on my screen lmao
7800x3D / 7900XTX / Samsung Neo G9 OLED, so really it’s not an hardware issue
I’ve been using Windows since 3.11. I’ve been supporting it for a career since 1998 (although almost entirely servers not desktops for the last 23 years). I’m tired of Microsoft’s bullshit.
On the other hand, my expertise at resolving their (server) bullshit over the last couple decades sure did pay well. So I guess it wasn’t all bad. But these days they can kiss my ass.
I have to say that I am getting pretty good at Linux. I use it on my gaming desktop, my 8 year old Lenovo, on a specialized workstation at work, and I have two servers running it. It’s approaching general utility.
That said, I am being defeated by Broadcom wireless drivers on a HP Enterprise laptop. They aren’t just working, and the wireless soft switch isn’t just turning on. Until we can get to the point where the average user can just try a bunch of .deb (or whatever) files until they hit the jackpot, it isn’t going to be as easily adopted.
That’s defo Broadcom’s fault. Unfortunately when Linux is a second class citizen, hardware vendors will make crappy Windows and maybe Mac drivers, but a lot of Linux support seems like it needs to be reverse engineered or something, if the company itself refuses to play ball. :(
This was the case with NVIDIA for a long while. Still kinda is. Hopefully that’s improving though.
It is absolutely Broadcom’s fault, but it’s also still the state of things.
Thanks to Ubuntu, Mint is quite well endowed with functional software. If it can receive the same level of support as Windows or MacOS, it will probably outpace them both.
MacOS: Am I a joke to you?
Absolutely
MacOS: Am I a joke to you?
MacOS (X) used to be the absolute best operating system around but ever since Apple became a phone company and Macs are merely an afterthought, macOS is indeed mostly a joke, not because the technological foundation is bad (actually that is quite good) but because of Apple’s dumb commercial decisions: The absolutely dumbest thing is Metal (their non-standard take on DirectX), deprecating OpenGL, and not adopting Vulkan.
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Yes.
Hay guys, wanna hear a joke?
What distro did the sysadmin suggest when someone was sick of Windows?
Mac Os.
Must be a inexperienced admin then
I love the restart button, it makes switching to Linux faster
I spent today trying to install a USB WiFi dongle in Debian. On Windows it took about 5 seconds, I still haven’t got it working on Debian.
Yep, had to fuck around for a while on Mint, managed to get it working with a driver found on GitHub and disabling the default driver and making sure it’s plugged in an USB 3.0 port… As you say, plug and play on Windows.
Is it one of those ASUS or similar ones? There is a wifi dongle that has drivers for linux, and says on the box linux support, but actually both the kernel and the provided drivers for the chipset are broken, you need to clone the github of the CHIP manufacturer, and compile it. After that, it works.
What brand? In my experience Linux is very persnickety about USB Wifi/Bluetooth adapters.
When I was buying mine a couple years back I had several failures before finding some kind of master list of supported devices.
I dont have the list anymore, but everything I bought was TP-Link cause TP-Link appeared very frequently in the list from what i recall.
I only buy accessories that will work without having to manually install anything. The whole concept of end users installing drivers can go to hell.
i have been lucky with all my computers and peripherals, everything worked out of the box. but there’s a weird issue in our household, none of the windows machines can connect or stay connected to our wifi but all phones and linux machines have no issues…
