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I wonder, is hatred of advertising a common thing for folks with ADHD? They take away something you are giving your attention to because it interests you, and shove some other crap in your face just to serve their own interests.
I remember being enraged at the scheduled commercial breaks in the '80s and '90s. The only benefit they had was that I always knew which segment of the show I was in and therefore roughly what time it was.
But now? It is so much damn worse and the normies just seem more OK with it than ever. I just remind myself they are living in a society that conditions them to accept it and gives them a thousand more serious things to worry about.
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Combo of ADHD and living through the 2000s with Internet Explorer where ads often installed malware and viruses. If you DIDN’T use an Ad Blocker you were playing a game of Russian Roulette every time you opened a web page.
Popups, pop unders, blaring audio, malware, slow page loads…ads are a scourge.
I genuinely believe most forms of advertising on the web are ableist because they try to make them as distracting as possible. Removing those ads is accessibility.
I don’t consider ads at the start and end of videos to be ableist, but they’re still annoying. Mid video ads, pause screen ads, and banner ads are all ableist.
I’ve been wondering if ads never got more intrusive than the simple banners on the side or top of sites if there would’ve been a huge push to block them. I think most people would figure that, especially on small sites run by people instead of huge corporations, that web hosting isn’t free so a banner on a page was a fair tradeoff.
But of course that couldn’t be enough for the ad folk who started ramping things up with their flashing ads and pop-ups, eventually culminating in the autoplay video malware hellscape the net has turned into today.
I can only speak for myself, but when I first looked into ad blocking I was only looking into it because of animated ads/ads with audio. Static ads were easy enough to ignore 95% of the time, which of course is why they escalated them to be more obnoxious. So now they’re all blocked of course, they overreached and it cost them any ad views from me. I imagine I’m probably not alone in that.
I’m ADHD and I fucking hate ads. They screw up my attention and are just scummy. It doesn’t help that I’m constantly cognizant of the evils that are corporations.
On the contrary, my eyes slide right off ads. They even did when I was a little kid.
Why should I care about something I’m not looking for? It’s just going to make whatever they’re advertising more expensive to buy.
Maybe that’s the autism side of AuADHD taking over, though.
Lol normies couldn’t care less about serious things, they are more worried about petty interpersonal nonsense, like how others perceive them and conspicuous consumption
Oh yeah agreed. Their role in the rat race makes up a significant part of their personal identity. That’s part of the design, to keep you focused on your consumption instead of your life.
I guess I should have referred to the noise as attention-grabbing things instead of serious things, lol.
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I hate it because it’s an unethical practice to manipulate or mislead and all modern advertising uses dark patterns to try to get you to overconsume.
The ADHD distress is just another side effect of all that
That’s me too, an effect of Justice Sensitivity, a common trait among both ADHD and autistic people. Before I knew that I was both, I used to tell people that I was allergic to advertising, to convey my feelings about it.
Dismissing righteousness as “justice sensitivity” is absolutely tragic to me. You’re right to feel that way, don’t change. The problem is with the system, not you. Applying a medical perspective is stigmatizing and self defeating. Your reaction is real, valid, and a far more sane response to these conditions than acceptance
“it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society”
I wasn’t trying to dismiss anything. Just pointing out that it’s a commonly observed trait in ADHD people. It’s a scientific perspective to notice that people with certain neurologies tend to exhibit certain behaviors more often than people with other neurologies. It’s not stigmatizing unless you are both generalizing and value judging.
It’s a dehumanizing perspective to categorize experience by “neurologies” and look for problems at an individual rather than systemic level. You don’t have “justice sensitivity”, you’re aware of overwhelming injustice. That’s a good thing. Act on it.
“Categorize experience”? That kinda sounds like that generalization I was talking about, which is not what this is here. It’s a simple matter of “people in this group have a higher likelihood of exhibiting this behavior than people of other groups”. Simple observation. It’s not saying that only people in this group exhibit it, or even that all people in this group exhibit it. Just that more do. It’s not even necessarily claiming direct causation. Maybe people in that group have experiences that make them more likely to exhibit that behavior, so that would make it environmental. But the cause is another discussion.
As for “look for problems at an individual rather than systemic level”, I’m afraid that I don’t know what you mean here. I wasn’t talking about any problems. Are you referring to the injustices themselves maybe? Because that’s a whole other discussion too. I’m talking about psychology, not politics or economics. (And while it’s not relevant, yes, I am acting on it, and far more systemically than most people.)
I didn’t mean to challenge or upset you and hope your day is going well. If you don’t know what I meant by that we’ve got quite a gap to cross and I’d rather just wish you the best and move on. I don’t like the ways that medical/psychological perspective shifts responsibility for social ills onto the individuals experiencing them and find an individual, political, or even economic (I guess) perspective far more liberating. Whatever you’re doing I hope you’re happy and it’s working for you. It’s hard to engage when you claim you aren’t generalizing while defining groupings though
I have wasted so much of my life watching adverts. I am absolutely over it and I get agitated if I watch them now. I cancel any streaming service that tries to force them on me and I am relying more and more on Plex/Jellyfin. I am not going to waste any more of my life watching marketing lies.
The problem is malvertising and tracking. Despite Google’s best efforts, ads that deploy malware still exist, and so does ads that track what page/site you’re on to profile you.
The ad company hates ad blockers. Whoda thunk it? Also, don’t let web browser engines become a monoculture. We went through this shit with Internet Explorer. We know where this leads.
The biggest issue is that making a browser from scratch takes a lot of resources. It’s not cheap and takes a long time.
We essentially have Chrome and Firefox now. And Firefox is starting to enshitify.
We desperately need a third browser.
Plus firefox mostly exists because google pays them, probably so there’s no anti-trust action against them.
Pretty sure I remember hearing that Microsoft was also the biggest funder for Netscape back in the day.
Google pays them the make Goigle the default search engine.
It can definitely be both at once. Could be paying an inflated amount, or they could just be doing it to keep FF alive. It’s not like helping their direct competitor provides a direct advantage, and FF would be in a lot worse of a situation without the Google money.
We desperately need a third browser.
Safari?
Everyone always forgets about WebKit, and QtWebEngine. QtWebEngine is a Blink (Chromium) fork, but it’s so far from the codebase that it’s functionally different. It still does get detected as Chrome tho
It’s happening, it’s just taking a little time.
Also, even though everyone is probably aware of it, Ladybird.
Even if they manage the compatibility, extensions are a big factor.
Bitwarden, adblock, sponsor block, multi account containers, libredirect… Without those, I don’t think I would adopt.
All of these are pretty “enthusiast/tinkerer” stuff. Some rando that doesnt use these also won’t be touching servo or ladybird basically ever. I think they would get adapted pretty fast for use among “us”.
Not to mention googles continued attempts to enforce standards that essentially amount to a whitelist to freeze out any possible competition.
Let’s be very clear here. Chrome ripped off the hard work from the KDE webkit people. That is also the reason much of it is open source, because open source and volunteer contributions made it live.
Can’t believe the world we live in. Everyone knows google and meta are f’ing up the internet yet they posted massive record profits.
Trumps name is in Epstein file. There’s pics video audio of him grabbing women and yet he’s the president.
Companies like Tesla and big banks pay 0 federal tax and yet they are operational.
Social media has literally brainwashed people and people especially 9-5s will destory themselves and their kids future.
you can say “fuck” on this website, it’s okay.
Oh didn’t know that.! Thanks.
Faaaaaaaaaacccccckkkkkk!!
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That actually made me laugh, thanks for that
Oh sorry! I am new here
Is it?
I used vanilla Chrome with “Ublock lite” in someone else’s computer for a bit, and was shocked by how many ads got through, not to speak of annoyances and what I suspect was a malware link. We also got a related ad on TV soon after browsing for something.
I think Google’s having their cake and eating it. It blocks enough for users to feel like they’re getting Adblock, yet it’s not much skin off Google’s back.
Was the slider turned up all the way?
I dunno. Whatever the default was, so perhaps not?
But whatever Ublock Lite’s default is is probably what 99% of folks are using.
Over my cold, dead hands. Fuck you and your shitty worldview,
Better be. Also, fuck chrome.
Most of the time I dont see any ads on YT and I watch a lot of content there. It’s getting harder to not get ads there on all my devices but it’s doable.
But when I go see my parents, I use their smartTV to watch YT. And I realize how horrible the experience is with all the interruptions and the impossibility to just focus on what you are watching.
And yesterday I got multiple time ads for a crypto scam called Ryxero or something. The scam was using AI clones of Bernard Arnault, a french billionaire, pretending you could win 1000€ a day…
The scam also had deepfakes of news outlets pretending that people in France were “queuing to ATM” to get their money…
I think it’s absolutely unacceptable that YT let them serve crypto scams to millions in complete impunity.
I will try to report the scam to authorities. I also reported it to YT but I dont expect them to act. The 3mn long ad was paid by an american business called “EX” which I think serves their scam abroad through YT in complete impunity.
For me the scam and AI clones is obvious but how many got scammed with the complicity of YouTube ? Hundreds ?
Watching TV of any kind at other people’s homes, and especially my parents’ place, can feel like some real black mirror shit.
We find everything we need on Tubi and Mubi…
BTW you can/should install an alternative YT frontend on smart TVs, if you want to watch YT and are forced to use a smart TV. Even something semi-suitable like Pipepipe will do, but there are also frontends more suited for TV use, e.g. SmartTube
Interesting ! Thanks for the suggestion.
Although I usually have issues with third party clients all the time.
On Android for example I used the following clients so far :
- Vanced YT
- Revanced YT
- Freetube
- Newpipe
- Morphe
- Grayjay
All of them eventually failed or were down for extended durations. Point is, these third party apps are always vulnerable to YT purposefully sabotaging them.
But I will try it out anyway I don’t have much to lose.
PS : Hmmm, on Smart Tube’s Github :
My development environment was infected by unknown malicious software, as a result of which a few builds may have been affected. Once the issue was detected, I secured everything with a full disk wipe, restored a clean setup, and now all builds are scanned with VirusTotal. The F-Droid version will also be verified before release.
PS2 : My SmartTV is on WebOS, LG’s proprietary OS…
Well, yeah, the dev environment was compromised but the author restored everything and checked that it all works.
Personally I use Pipepipe and Outertube on my android phone, and just watch through a browser with adblock on my Linux phone. Although I don’t watch youtube too often, especially on my phone (maybe twice a month or so), I didn’t notice any issues with either of those methods, and never got any ads either.
I’ll be honest that’s a bit of a red flag to me. Anyone can get hacked, sure, but we don’t know what malware was shipped with the builds, we don’t know what vector the hackers used to infect the builds.
So I’m not sure I would be willing to give my YT credentials in this context.
Anyway, since I have a WebOS TV :( I guess I will have to endure the official WebOS app for now…
So weird that companies waste so much time trying to find ways to stop me from stopping them from wasting my time.
Maybe they should do a study in exactly where the ad revenue comes from. I strongly suspect that people who use ad blockers, and people who potentially generate revenue from ads, are two non-intersecting sets.
Honestly, if people successfully using adblockers were a worthwhile market, we’d have seen laws against adblockers years ago.
It doesn’t help their case that most mobile websites are just completely unusable with ads enabled. It’s impressive how shit they are sometimes
If you dont have an adblocker… you’re guaranteed to get that fake “Virus found” notification from a website that has bad ads.
I can’t think of a single reason why I would want or need a website to be able to send me notifications. Whomever invented that is on my time machine list, just after the guy who made webpage elements move around right before you click them.
Probably something tertiary to PWAs.
Is there a way to block youtube ads on the tv? I have an android tv and using the youtube app is painfull… :-(
I don’t think so, since YouTube runs their ads from the same servers as the videos. You need to use an alternate front end that doesn’t serve ads to begin with. One thing I used to do too was run a VPN on my router in Japan, so I would get Japanese ads instead. There were way fewer ads, I would have no idea what they were advertising, and the few ads I would get were way more entertaining.
You need firefox with ublock.
This is the solution. I’ve been using it for a couple of years, no ads, and almost no segways either.
this + remapping the remote youtube button seems to be the solution.
Thanks!
pi-hole may be what you’re gunning for.
That’s via DNS, right? If so i don’t think it will work, i’m using https://nextdns.io/ with lots of block lists and it doesn’t work.
Depends on your implementation. It does need some tweaking and using the logs to add more crap to the block list.
blocking for 35 years. ditched chrome for firefox last year. about to move on. maybe lynks. like the umatrix addon plus a few others
If google really wanted to, they can. But if you’re so against ads, what’s the point in showing them? Leaving a mechanism to block ads with default being with ads is net positive for google. Now, something like AdNauseum is what hurts google
It’s a good thing Vivaldi’s ad-and-tracker-blocker is still there (although you can install Chrome extensions in Vivaldi though)
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Plug an old PC into what?
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