• switcheroo@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Hence why some of the US simply CAN’T protest. If they miss a single pay check-- or get fired for missing work-- they’re fucked. Insurance is also tired to work.

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    19 days ago

    Fuck it. Chips on the table, china taking over america would be a net positive at this point. I’ve never bought into the “country bad because ideology different” bullshit we’re fed here in the us. As I can see from here, just about any other large nation assuming control would bring me everything I ask my government for as a default.

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      19 days ago

      Trading late stage capitalism for mid stage capitalism and a pre-existing merger of state and corporate power doesn’t sound like a permanent fix. Also, deposing a strongman in favor a system that has reestablished it’s leadership as a strongman is not an improvement.

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        18 days ago

        I think you underestimate the term “improvement”. Lossing two fingers instead of three is an improvement. 8inches from the ledge is better than 4inches from the ledge even if either measure isn’t even one whole step. If in never going to see best then I’ll take any better I can get.

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          18 days ago

          Yeah but any invasion probably pushes half of the country over the edge before the war would be over.

          I wouldn’t wanna risk death and destruction for a mere potential 4" further from the edge.

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            17 days ago

            My dude, you’re on a federated platform. You don’t think you’re going to dodge being lumped in with all the political dissidents and “terrorists” when they run out of trans kids to gas? It’s literally a death risk either way, this way just means you get to watch tv until they get you.

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              17 days ago

              I’m one of the trans kids adults, I’d be fucked anyways. Just wanted to illustrate that being invaded, if you welcome it or not, is usually a pretty rough affair.

              War is brutal, I don’t know if I would be willing to suffer through one, just for stuff to be slightly better afterwards, maybe. Provided I had the choice in the first place ofc.

        • Aljernon@lemmy.today
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          18 days ago

          A permanently better world is possible so why settle for a temporary better situation with little hope for further improvement? Why insist people have to lose fingers when no one losing fingers is achievable and not at all far fetched?

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            16 days ago

            China is still making rapid progress and hasn’t slowed down in that respect, though. It isn’t that they are following a temporary solution, it’s that they are developing towards that better world, and building that better world takes time and effort. There’s no such thing as a static system.

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            18 days ago

            That’s like insinuating that I refuse to lose weight because I can’t lose 60lbs today. I’m literally saying I will take any movement what so ever if it means movement.

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              17 days ago

              It’s more like offering someone a weight loss pill that will work for a couple months and then make you gain more weight than you started with.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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            17 days ago

            “Unless you’re creating an instant utopia you should not change to the status quo”

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              16 days ago

              What part of creating a mixed capitalist society run by an authoritarian regime leads to an utopia on any time frame? Spell it out for me because history suggests it will end poorly.

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                16 days ago

                China is a socialist market economy, not capitalist. It’s also run by the working classes in democratic fashion. The large firms and key industries in China are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, and as the small and medium firms grow they are folded more into the public sphere of influence. The basis of communism is in large scale industry, not in small manufacturing, so it doesn’t necessarily make the most sense to socialize small firms.

                As time continues and the productive forces develop, these become economically compelled towards socialization, which is expedited by having a socialist economy where public ownership is principle. These are all basic Marxist observations about production and distribution.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        18 days ago

        China is socialist, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and the working class is in control of the state. They don’t have a “strongman,” just because Xi gets re-elected. Stability is good if public support is high.

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          18 days ago

          They have a Strongman because Xi went to great efforts to sideline people or policies that served as a check to his power. Something that would have been unthinkable in China at any point after Mao and before Xi.

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            18 days ago

            Do you have an example? The anti-corruption campaigns are immensely popular among the public in China, and they support the government.

            • Aljernon@lemmy.today
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              18 days ago

              Just years of reading. That you bring up the anti-corruption campaign means you’re at least familiar with allegations that Xi unevenly applied the campaign against his political opponents. As a side not, I’ll say the anti-corruption campaigns in China are definitely popular and also one clear situation where improvements in computer technology made a major advance in society and peoples quality of life. Corruption of low level officials was hard to root out when the people would be making complaints to other corrupt low level officials and risking retaliation in the process. Computer technology helped bypass that.

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                18 days ago

                So I still don’t see any evidence of Xi being a “strongman,” but instead an extremely popular and influential leader.

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                  17 days ago

                  You’re whole persona is pushing the party line and pushing back against any dissent. I didn’t expect you to see any evidence.

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          18 days ago

          China isn’t turning into a “hybrid of communism and capitalism,” it’s socialist, ie transitioning between capitalism and communism. It isn’t possible to sustain this transitional phase indefinitely, as production grows and develops so too does socialization, which forces higher stages of socialism.

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            18 days ago

            I didn’t seriously consider that they would just like I wouldn’t seriously consider White Americans in the 1950’s launching a revolution. China has high propaganda and they’re at the part of both industrialization and capitalism where average people see benefit from both.

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              18 days ago

              China isn’t capitalist, nor is it an imperialist settler colony that gave 1950s white Statesians a better life. It’s a socialist country, the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and the working classes are in charge of the state. A revolution would be devastating for the Chinese working classes.

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                17 days ago

                China isn’t capitalist

                That’s delusional

                the working classes are in charge of the state

                The party is in charge of the state. The working class have vanishingly little power.

                A revolution would be devastating for the Chinese working classes.

                That’s what the Ruling Class in every country says. Can’t let everyday people get too uppity

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                  17 days ago

                  It’s genuinely sad to see people who have been so traumatized by living in an epicenter of capitalist profiteering, gaslighting propaganda, and government violence that they can’t imagine a society that doesn’t work that way. You think this is a normal way for a government to be, and you think the smart thing to do is assume everyone is like the US.

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                  17 days ago

                  The CPC is a working class party, not a class in itself. In the PRC, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, private ownership is relegated to the small and medium firms, which are about half sole proprietorships anyways.

                  The idea that the party is a distinct class and the idea that an economy where public ownership is principle is somehow capitalist both are contradictory to Marx and common sense, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from.

                  A revolution would result in bleak reaction and capitalists in charge of the state, this is the opposite of what the working class wants in China.

  • rose56@lemmy.zip
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    17 days ago

    Not a meme, why you even post it? I forgot, we speak only politics here. USA USA USA!!!

    Edit: if you don’t know what a meme is, don’t post.

    • ghost_laptop@lemmy.mlM
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      17 days ago

      It is a meme. It plays on the cultural idea that the West should rescue X or Y country (that they destroyed btw), jokingly mentioning that the living condition for US people is actually worst than that of a lot of third world countries. If you have any issues with the amount of memes regarding politics being posted, you can participate sharing non political memes.

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        17 days ago

        So it’s politics, because one to understand it, needs to be into politics + not a meme.

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          17 days ago

          Yes, you need to be into a topic regarding a meme to understand a meme. And again, it IS a meme, maybe you think a meme is an image with text on the top and the bottom. That’s not the definition of a meme, a meme can have many different forms.

  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
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    19 days ago

    I totally understand having a world view like this but it’s the rampant censorship of any opposing view point on this instance that made me reconsider my monthly donation to the development of Lemmy and move it to piefed instead.

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      19 days ago

      PieFed is worse when it comes to censorship, though, as a platform. There’s all sorts of tools for “reputation,” replies from blocked users outright aren’t sent for anyone to see, and more. Lemmy as a platform is less susceptible to censorship outright and is more transparent about removed content.

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          19 days ago

          Yea, it has a slur filter. I’m okay with that, and it’s preferable to PieFed’s thoughtcrime style censorship with literal social credit scores.

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        19 days ago

        You’re misunderstanding the blocked user issue. If every instance was Piefed, you simply wouldn’t be able to reply to anyone who has blocked you. “Reply” is essentially faded out. The difference is that Lemmy doesn’t implement the block function in the same way, so Piefed just throws out replies by blocked users to the person who has blocked them coming from Lemmy.

        Is that the best way to handle blocked users, who have indicated they no longer wish to contact you? I don’t know. I can imagine it changing - but in my experience there’s no good way of handling it that won’t upset someone.

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          19 days ago

          I’m not misunderstanding it, it’s a fact of how federation between Lemmy and PieFed works, and it results in comments appearing on Lemmy that do not exist on PieFed. Given Rimu’s clear ideological stances and vocal support for building in censorship into PieFed itself, I think it’s pretty obvious why this is the case: PieFed developers don’t like that Lemmy has a lot of communists, and wish to make a space easier to shut out communists.

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            19 days ago

            I’m not misunderstanding it, it’s a fact of how federation between Lemmy and PieFed works, and it results in comments appearing on Lemmy that do not exist on PieFed.

            Correct, but you’re assigning some malicious intent to it - when it’s simply differences regarding how blocking should work.

            Given Rimu’s clear ideological stances and vocal support for building in censorship into PieFed itself

            What “ideological stances” would these be that relevant here? Anyone can be blocked. You could block me now and I couldn’t reply via Piefed. This specific decision has no relevance to anything here.

            I think it’s pretty obvious why this is the case: PieFed developers don’t like that Lemmy has a lot of communists, and wish to make a space easier to shut out communists.

            Except that anyone can be blocked. A communist could utilise the block function in the same way and stop the person from being able to reply.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              19 days ago

              Rimu baked-in default blocking of Lemmygrad and Hexbear, to me this is already proof of malicious intent. Rimu’s ideological stances are reflected in the code itself, including things like a social credit score system that makes it more difficult to see comments from “unsavory users.” I’m aware that anyone can use the block function, but when viewed with the context of how Rimu’s views impact the project and how it relates to the fediverse in general, it’s designed with creating an echo chamber in mind.

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                Rimu baked-in default blocking of Lemmygrad and Hexbear, to me this is already proof of malicious intent.

                Easily turned-off - and is by multiple other instances, but yes, Rimu doesn’t like them.

                Rimu’s ideological stances are reflected in the code itself, including things like a social credit score system that makes it more difficult to see comments from “unsavory users.”

                Not sure what this has to do with any particular or specific allegation of anti-communism. This is mostly to catch trolls and spammers, and it works.

                I’m aware that anyone can use the block function, but when viewed with the context of how Rimu’s views impact the project and how it relates to the fediverse in general, it’s designed with creating an echo chamber in mind.

                I simply don’t follow that at all. It means more accurately that Rimu simply believes that a blocked user shouldn’t be able to be replied to by the person they blocked as that can be used to harass by some.

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                  I don’t think it’s particularly outlandish to say that the facts that Rimu thinks it’s acceptable to build ideological bias into the code itself, and that PieFed specifically has tools designed to more cultivate an echo chamber, are likely connected with Rimu’s own political bias. PieFed makes censorship easier and more opaque, Lemmy makes it harder and more transparent. I’m not saying that there are no good reasons to use PieFed, but that at least acknowledging that it’s being developed primarily to specifically counter issues Rimu personally has with Lemmy, including politically, is pretty reasonable.

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                19 days ago

                Oh yeah, I remember hearing about this. Even apart from instances some community names by default aren’t federated. It’s a really weird stance.

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                  That’s an automated check-system for new piefed instances that specifically ignores communities with specific names. That list has been trimmed down now purely to just insults and slurs. It really isn’t a major component of the system as said communities with those names can still be manually federated to it.

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                  It all makes sense if you look at it from the point of view of Rimu developing a platform that suits their views and interests first and foremost. I don’t agree with it, but it’s logical and predictable with that frame of analysis.

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          19 days ago

          As long as you can reply to replies of people who blocked you, I think it’s fine. Reddit’s approach is absolutely insane.

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    19 days ago

    I’m not in/from the US. I haven’t been one paycheck away from homelessness since I was a student.

    Enough savings to last half a year without income has always been a rule of thumb.

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      Home ownership rate is the percentage of homes occupied, not the percentage of people who own their homes (or even have positive equity in them).

      From what I could find, 1/3rd of the adult population rents, another 3rd have mortgages with negative equity, and 1/3rd have positive or paid off mortgages. I couldn’t find the number who fully own their homes.

      Either way all of the above categories could still be house-poor, meaning you’re spending most of your income on housing and upkeep, and could still be a paycheck away from homelessness, unable to pay rent/mortgage. I had a relative who fully owned her home, but was unable to pay the property tax and her house was seized.

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          True. I don’t advocate violence. The class warfare increases constantly. Mario’s brother had an efficient solution for protecting communities from billionaires who profit from the for profit systems of social murder, which is more akin to farming working people for shareholder value gain imo.

          France also had gravity based justice systems circa 1790.

          What other choice do we have?

          Fascism continues to grow, cost of living sky rockets, workers are being displaced by technology. Private interests push on political systems, eroding individual’s rights. Nzs proliferate, the wealthy are literally feasting on the children of the world while they engage in every form of cover up/profiteering possible, destroying our planet, our systems, the hopes and futures of our children.

          The wealthy are wealthier than ever, and most working families are being pushed into debt slavery.

          The class warfare is too intense. It will only get more intense. Youth revolutions as seen in Nepal, Madagascar etc seem to be the only solution.

          Tyranny cannot be tolerated. Class interests and class solidarity must proliferate. Democratic institutions are failing. The people must work with parallel systems.

          This is survival. We depend on the strength of our neighbours and the cohesion of our communities. What other choice have they left us?

          Eat the rich asap obvsly!