I was triggered at every panel, it’s unacceptable!
I hope no one got left unoffended
The imperative stoneager feels like the most favored one, there are no real negatives listed there. All that’s listed are things they usually pride themselves on.
Yeah, that Mac offended me.
My imperative programming journey was a few months on a handed down P2 followed by 3 years of pen and paper.
Who tf is Bob Martin?
~I know I can just search for him, but I don’t want to go down a rabbit hole on the internet.~
Author of “Clean Code”, known conservative is the short answer
Someone explain the Rustacean failing to support MacOS.
More like mix and match your path lmao.
Watches Computerphile, thinks it’s actual programming
What is this even supposed to imply
Yeah, I’m kinda confused by that one too—Computerphile is CS theory, not software engineering.
I think, the point is Haskell is more CS theoretical than practical language and anyone who uses it (or any other FP) has never written a single line of production code (the last statement is even in the meme)
Personally, I love that series. I guess whoever made this meme thinks people who watch the show are trying to implement their code examples in production.
book bad
- this post was made by the imperative stoneager gang
Oh, I guess I’m a stoneager with a penchant for functional elitism then.
Though I will admit OOP is valid for involved data modelling, everything else should be functional though.
I’ve also trained myself out of most short variable names for maintainability reasons
Outside of the for loop counters i and j, short variable names are awful. Coming back to old code written with abr var nams is like talking to someone in the military who just constantly throws out jargon and acronyms that they know you don’t know.
But so are Java style ObserverFactoryManagerTemplateMachinistTemplater names.
There’s a sweet middle ground of short, but actually descriptive name. Sometimes it’s not possible but that’s usually a code organization / language / framework smell.
Too short variable names is usually a sign that you need to use a proper ide, with auto complete, or that you need to use a proper build process that will minify your code after the fact.
Too long names are usually a sign that your module of code (function, class, namespace, etc) is too large, or that your language/framework naming conventions are too strict, or the language doesn’t encapsulate scope properly.
The length of variable and function names should be proportional to the size of the code that can potentially call them. And preferably segmented in namespaces, explicit modules, or something like that.
Outside of the for loop counters i and j, short variable names are awful.
I’ve started to prefer writing it out as ”index” or ”iteration” even in for loop counters. It’s easier to read, and not much harder to type.
idxis the ideal name for an index, change my mindYh, y cn sv a lt f spc wtht ths unncssr vwls
I is a vowel too but you sure can!
Edit: also I noticed you dropped one ‘y’ but not the others. Is this an accident or some subtlety to do with y’s ‘semi-vowel’ status? To be discussed.
t’s prbbl t kp wrds rcgnzbl. Hw ls wld knw wht h s sppsd t b?
I had to leave most of first letters, and sometimes if all vowels are removed there’s nothing left
But yeah, we need a committee and come up with a standard for that
I think even idx is better than just i. I feel like just i can visually get lost
Keeping things that can be on one line to one line is a good reason to use short variable names where it won’t be confusing. Writing “iteration” sounds absolutely perverse!
The thing is, everyone understands i and j. The reason calling variables hcv or iid is dumb is because noone knows what that means - quite a different situation.
Writing “iteration” sounds absolutely perverse!
I like it to make it clear when the for loop is about iterating lists and when it’s not. For example, the iterations in Monte Carlo algorithms doesn’t correspond to items in a list.
I typically do too, or
userIndexor something for nested loops, but I will accept i and j for the first two levels of nesting when reviewing a PR because they’re such a convention. I wouldn’t accept variable names like that anywhere else though and try and avoid them myself.
Yeah, it’s wild people “don’t like OOP” 100%, it’s like most good things, don’t put it where it shouldn’t be.
If you’re really going down that route, you need to also remember that even the C programmed Linux Kernel is highly OOP
Is there a panel for the pragmatist that just goes with what works, with open source strongly preferred?
No, because the whole point of this meme is to be entirely devoid of nuance. Functional programming is fucking awesome if product is changing its mind every 5 mins, Oop is great if you have a huge number of junior Devs, rust isn’t remotely slow so god knows what bottom right is about, top left probably has more functionality defects than you can shake a stick at but he’s lionised here. Don’t think too hard about it – OP didn’t (also ‘never bashes python or JavaScript’? Absolute weaksauce. Perl and PHP are the ones ppl bash because of entry level dev memes. Embarrassed for op)
history | grep -E '(sed|grep|awk|perl)' | wc -l107Dang. That’s out of 1000. I need to up my game. Also three of those
seds are part of something with a-basedirand don’t count.So yeah, about 10% of my commands are iterating shell pipe things for poops and giggles, I guess.
… and this got me going down the rabbit hole of writing a filter for my history to pull out the first command on the line. This is non-trivial because of potential preceding variable assignments. Most used commands are currently
aptandmanandls. I thinkaptis a Spiders Georg situation because the system is fairly fresh and I keep finding things that I haven’t installed yet. Also I went through a patch of trying to parse its output.… oh, er… unga bunga.
$ history | grep -E '(sed|grep|awk|perl)' | wc -l 50 $ history | wc -l 500Checks out perfectly.
The OOP boilerplater is the only one with a job.
Imperative stonager works there too. You’ve just never seen him because he hasen’t accepted a meeting invite is 14 years.
You’ve just never seen him because he hasen’t accepted a meeting invite is 14 years.
And counting!
I like the functional parts of C♯, though.
Love that you put a real musical sharp and not that ugly #
What‽ It was not C-hash?
This. I’ve been writing some game mods in it recently and LINQ is… pretty nice.
switchexpressions, too.This is coming from a dude formerly from the “OOP Boilerplater” camp, though, so maybe I just have low standards.
LINQ is… pretty nice.
Seriously. Want monads? LINQ is monads!
“Wanna see me turn a dozen lines of imperative code into a single expression?”
“Wanna see me do it again?”
I think I’m a little bit of everyone except him. I work as a web dev, love functional programming and/with TypeScript. 😅
Uses neovim with gruvbox theme on arch
Damn, why are you calling me out personally? Though I use it to write python scripts and LaTeX, not rust…
That’s such a way to dismiss the theory and academia
Proud imperative stoneager here 🦍
Cavepeople together strong!
This meme is ass.
Got offended?
Nah. It’s underlying assumptions are wrong.
It’s obviously very exaggerated
ocaml and haskell and erlang power like… a shitton of industry production code. If erlang software disappeared, internet dies for a bit until people replace all the broken routers.
Isn’t functional stuff closely related to type theory & type systems in all langs? In that sense, it’s prevented whole classes of bugs from ever getting to prod in the first place.
Responsible for 0% of code in production
Best code is no code at all
