Lots of venture capital money behind it. I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
Lots of venture capital money behind it.
It already began.
Meh, it’s still corpo space.
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Trust me, bro, this time’lo be different, this VC-funded social network isn’t going to enshittify, AI is going to fight bots, just give me all your data bro
Who? I thought they were dead
I actually kept going to Digg for a long, long time after it became essentially useless. I guess it was just part of my daily website routine.
As soon as I found out about the ownership change and what they were doing I said “so long” and have no intention of ever going there.
The only Reddit alt I need is Lemmy.
Anything that takes users away from Reddit, and forces Reddit to compete, is a plus for me.
Being owned by venture capitalists is pretty much an assurance that they’ll turn it to shit as much as they can get away with. The entire reason people abandoned digg for reddit in the first place was because it was selling out to ad space and shill accounts and manipulation. The venture capitalists will want big returns on their investments.
Competition is good. Also the less data Reddit has, the slower A.I. models can be trained.
reddit is partially being propped up by google. most of thier AI comes from google, and thier moderation, BOT DETECTION,etc.
That’s a fair point. Reddit has been openly hostile to its own users these past several years. It might help moderate that to have another alternative on the table, even if it too is a soulless corporate enterprise.
it got worst within the last year. they ban new users and old inactive accounts extremely fast. of course you can say its due to bots using same methods, this hasnt stopped bots in any case at all. its just targetting lowest hanging fruits.
This is quite toxic attitude. You should focus on what’s good for you - not what’s bad for someone else.
Monopolies are bad for everyone except their CEO and stockholders.
Eh, what’s bad for capitalists is what’s good for the rest of us
I don’t agree. We’re not talking about a person or a charity. We’re talking about a VC-backed company. They can fuck off and die, and it’s not toxic – it’s just common sense.
But two corporate entities competing are better than one secure in it’s market share. Anyone with any sense would reject both for a fediverse option if it could be made to work well enough obviously but still.
Only marginally… maybe. Duopolies are still really shitty for consumers and that’s the best outcome to this. Significantly better would be if more people would realise what made internet amazing in the beginning and that logical consequences from that are that public spaces in the internet where the content comes from the people should be owned by the people.
But competition IS good for me.
If people start migrating to better experience and better communities, they’re going to have to step up to stop the bleeding.
Reddit can get away with making terrible user experiences and killing 3rd party solutions because no alternative has lured enough of their base away.
Silly question. Is Reddit still banning comments that say Lemmy?
I don’t have an account.
Dunny. I’ve mentioned it a few times. I don’t think they’re still removing them but I bet they are still suppressing them
I heard that was highly community-dependent - the more high-profile a community the more likely for it to be removed.
Idk, but now that you mention iy, I got a 2nd violation, for threatening violence that did not do so or even come close, to the point I think it was ad hoc in bad faith, to say for other reasons. I did mention lemmy not long before.
If they are advertising on Digg may work.
I’d like to see this place just a bit better
I have a link to my Lemmy profile on my Reddit profile and not even shadowbanned 🤷
they dont care about links as much as if you commented with the links in your posts. and also if your account is old and active enough they are less likely to “ban you”
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Idk, I think there are also legitimate arguments for piefed !
We can have both, thats allowed :)
(That was the point of my comment 😊)
What’s piefed? I looked at it and mostly saw lemmy instances.
It’s an alternative to Lemmy with some different features. Since it uses the same protocol under the hood, its instances federate with Lemmy. There’s more info on the differences here.
It’s like Lemmy, but it has more features because the devs aren’t tankies and they actually do work instead of just denying genocides all day
Tankie you say
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Are there any plans to improve Piefed’s RSS feeds? I primarily browse through Thunderbird, and Lemmy’s feeds are a lot more content-rich
Sounds like a good question for @rimu@piefed.social
Haven’t tried piefed so I can’t say.
Such as?
This is just off the top of my head.
Grouping comments of the same posts posted on different comms for one.
Keyword filtering to fade or outright block.
Idk if filtering is in Lemmy, but grouping comments definitely isn’t.
I love the grouped comments. I scroll through the comments on once instance, then I reach the next one and you can genuinely see the shift in priorities between communities. It’s pretty cool
To add to the other comment, the fucking blocking functionality just works.
On Lemmy it’s half assed so you can’t completely defed/block:
- If someone crossposts it to another instance it appears on the feed
- If you (as a normal user) block an instance you still see the crossposts and their users
On piefed you have many block options and they just work.
Piefed and Lemmy are basically the same thing on different websites
They’re all in the same network
Doesn’t piefed have that controversial hardcoded blocklist? I’ve heard that meme communities and similar are filtered out using hardcoded keywords matched aganst community name.
Why hardcode this??? Imposing your preferences on everyone seems like a bad idea.
I could go for a text only version of this
That’s what Usenet was.
yeah it was pretty good I was there
I miss it. SLRN and proper score file made it the best information tool on the internet back in the day.
That would be nice. It can probably be done by blocking images at the browser level. Wouldn’t be the same as a text only site though.
lemmy certainly scratches the doomer/black pill/commie itch in everyone
I’m starting to agree. Was a bit quiet and every other post oddly seemed to be about Linux when I first signed up, but now I really like it. I’ve decided to stay.
I felt this place was a ghost town when I first started - maybe 10 posts a day. Now, there is plenty to read. Partly due to me finding more communities and overall more people here.
This is a rerun, and the fediverse is better
The crossover I didn’t know I need
Reddit was the Digg replacement.
oh how the turn tables
EDIT: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
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This
How to get PTSD flashbacks in an instant.
Reddit existed long before Digg died, and was so much better before the Digg refugees streamed in.
Plus, Rose suggests Digg could use signals acquired from mobile devices to help verify members — for instance, the app could identify when Digg users attended a meetup in the same location.
Maybe I’m being paranoid, but this does not sound like a good thing for privacy.
“Hi! We’ve just noticed there are 2 other members of d/footfettish next to you, go say hi!”
Low key win for kink communities.
You are absolutely right about that. Passively detecting your location? Fuck that. We are getting into an era where bots are overwhelming and user verification is a valid topic to discuss. I think additional device permissions can be one element in that discussion. But this idea he popped off the dome is a miserable example of such.
Yeah… no. None of that sounds appealing.
‘Curbing toxicity with AI’ means a bot is going to ban you because it doesn’t recognise sarcasm.
And ‘new tech to verify your identity’ sounds like a privacy violation at best.
‘Verifying that you own a product before they let you post in its community’ is a complete lack of understanding of how people use places like this.
Digg can fuck right off.
While AI obviously is not perfect and is flawed in many ways, having AI sift through the torrent of comments and then flag problematic submissions for human review is likely going to be extremely effective with minimal false positives. Though I do say this as a person whose Reddit account is currently banned for 3 days for “inciting violence” because of a knife-based joke.
I have been permanently banned from Reddit for wishing for a natural disease process to occur in a certain individual. If only I were that powerful of a manifestor our world would be a better place.
I got banned from reddit last week for “threatening violence” basically because my comment contained the word “die.” It wasn’t a verb.
Reddit is super aggressive with this shit now. If you say “Don’t drink bleach, that would kill you.” Their AI bullshit just sees “kill you” and bans you for threats.
Site is fucking useless, don’t even bother at this point. It’s mostly robots talking to other robots at this point anyway.
Meh. I got banned just for saying something about stabbing Donald Trump in the neck and watching him bleed out before alerting the staff of the Urgent Care I was waiting all day in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ai flagging for human review is likely the best option.
The problem is that the humans reviewing things are biased, assholes with no sense of humor.
Ah I see someone else suffering the same shit as myself. Inciting violence for comparatives is what happened to me. No, neither side should celebrate violence. Human life is invaluable.
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“I run faster with a knife!!”
Yeah, the verifying that you own a product thing is so dumb.
“Hey <insert product> community. I’m thinking about purchasing <insert product>, but I wanted to know if it can do X, Y, and Z.”
“your post has been deleted because you have not proven that you own <insert product>.”
Wow, it’s like they made Reddit even worse.
“Hi I wasn’t paid six dollars on Fiverr to post here” (does increase costs obviously but marginally for high-margin/volume products)
Your comment would be autoremoved for the last line lol
We left Digg for Reddit about 20 years ago because of enshitification, the same way we left Reddit for the Fediverse recently, there is no way I am going back to Digg!
No but this time will be different I’m sure!! I’m sure they’ve learned their lessons from their past mistakes. Trust me on this… I’m a dolphin
Mistakes may happen, but I’m sure they won’t do any evil shit on porpoise.
I specifically remember the exodus from DIGG as the start of reddit sucking.
When was that? Based on life events I’ve reconstructed this timeline of my hangout sites
- late 1990s to mid 2000s was slahdot
- around 2006ish digg came into my life and was great for a some years. At least for memes and generic dopamining on funny pictures. I think I hung around until about 2014 or so, while spicing it up with cracked.com
- 2014ish 9GAG started having more of my type of content. After a few years 9GAG became just automated reposts of r/funny, and talking about that got you censored. Kinda like what reddit is doing now.
- 2017ish I switched to reddit, when 9GAG just became too embarrassingly bad.
- july 21st 2023 I started trying to figure out lemmy. BTW u/spez is a pedophile piss baby.
Maybe I was just trailing behind you others. Was I the one to ruin your experience? Why would you accuse me of that you insensitive clod? Anyway, in that case I’ll go eat crayons in the corner and shitpost on .ml
Interesting, I had my 9GAG phase around 2011-12. Never really used Digg, just saw the front page a couple times, then started dabbling in Reddit in 2015, then Lemmy in 2023 with the blackout protests. (I almost said those achieved nothing, but I think that’s probably when most current Lemmy users joined, so 🤷)
Sorry
-A Slashdot to Digg to Lemmy refugee
Same here 😂
What, Digg was before Reddit? Thought Reddit was the OG forum of the global internet.
Before Reddit and everything was forum sites. I use many of them today.
Digg based the voting off of a simplified version of Slashdot’s. Except they let everyone vote. Reddit then took that concept and added user generated categories and user moderating.
even their tagline the frontpage of the internet is digg’s and they took it back
Before Digg was Kuro5hin and Slashdot
I AM learning something New every day! Thanks!
They’re betting that AI can help to address some of the messiness and toxicity of today’s social media landscape. At the same time, social platforms will need a new set of tools to ensure they’re not taken over by AI bots posing as people.
“We’re banking on AI as a competitive advantage but also, here’s why it’s bad” is quite a business strategy
They will populate the basic sites with bots to garner some “content” just like Reddit did in its early days
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
What then does it say about the actual value of this company and others like it?
If you want a hypercurated/focused reddit experience just join metafilter.
Somehow I don’t get the feeling the owners of Digg are going to be happy with the level of income Metafilter brings in to its owners however…
“We kind of opted for … let’s just keep building this plane as we fly it,” explained Digg CEO Justin Mezzell. “That means that it’s going to be very lightweight, and we’re just going to be aggressively shipping every week and just giving them new features as we go,” he added.
camera slowly pans and zooms out to the Fediverse where mint condition airplanes can be seen everywhere with the word FREE on them
The warm and cozy feel of a VC-funded social network.
Normies can’t seem to help but flock to corporate websites only.
Maybe it’s because people drive them away from other spaces by doing things like calling them weird pseudo-slurs like “Normies”, instead of engaging with them as valid human beings with different lives, experiences and interests who don’t always want exactly what we want.
Yeah we are not using slurs enough. Other platforms are openly racist and therefore have better user engagement coz it’s “funny” being openly racist.
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
To us? Nothing. To others? A single place to browse and sign up.
and maybe a place that takes more of reddits traffic
I can live with that.
Ngl. Will digg it.
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
Brand name; the simplicity of just going to a site and register instead of choosing an instance; algorithmic creation most likely.
All the AI features are a real plus /s
Well, actual users and niche communities that get more than 3 responses max might be one thing it offers.
