me over here using the gui software manager because it works just fine and I can’t be assed to learn the difference between package managers.
Its most likely just a front-end for one of the command line tools anyway, so you’re probably still using them.
And if it’s the easiest way to get what you need, then it sounds like you’re using the right tool for your use case. That’s a good thing.
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They S is for Sync. You’re syncing a package from the repos.
Everyone knows how to read, not everyone will feel comfortable reading the flags.
But what about
pacman -SsSync search? P.S. I like pacman, just that this combination of flags is a bit weird for me personally.You wouldn’t do that, its improper syntax. You’d do #pacman -Qs, Query local packages -> Search from within this set.
But I do, do that regularly. Why is it improper?
I’m just going Based on the man page I linked. s isn’t listed as a subflag of S so i’ve never thought to use it.I just checked that again and I’m totally wrong. Disregard me I guess.
❌ apt update && apt upgrade
✅ pacman -Syu
apt --update upgrade
I use it everyday and I still hate pacman’s flags with a passion
The best syntax is zypper’s zypper in se, etc.
The thing I don’t like about zypper is that it is missing functionality
the equivalent of
apt autoremovehas to be done through YaST
an equivalent forapt purgedoes not existYou can use these abbreviations with DNF too, by the way.
Wow, cool never knew when I used it.
Is Pacman still missing a proper alternatives system?
What would that be for? It’s hard to search the internet for.
I think I remember from my Ubuntu days that I used it to switch JREs? Arch has something for that!
For me apt is faster only 3 letters
Certainly faster than dnf
I mean… that’s not incorrect, but…
>>> len("apt update && apt upgrade") 25 >>> len("pacman -Syu") 11that’s why we have
alias pac='pacman'Or just use yay instead
i aliased
pp='pacman -S'
inspired by vim’s:yyand:ddand etc…alias upd="your distro's upgrade command here"
Still longer, but at least just use
apt upgrade --updateSorry but muscle memory makes me write:
apt-get update apt-get upgradeAnd I’m used to apt complaining about missing repo URL, and then I have to fix it by pointing to archive.debian.org.
Is Yay out of date? “yay -syu” is even shorter
You don’t even need to do that. You can just type
yay
No contest. Apt-rpm is superior in every way.
SuSE people can sit down too. I’ve seen inside that mess.
What is apt-rpm?
A wrapper to use apt commands for rpm packages. It’s just there to help with muscle memory.
Why is it superior?
SuSE people can sit down too. I’ve seen inside that mess.
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Waka waka
Eh-e eh!
I’m only 4 months into Linux, and apt is my comfort zone. Checking out other distros that use something else has me running away like:
You can basically take that statement and replace “apt” with “whatever the first package tool I used” and it would be true for anyone.
My first package manager was YaST, then RPM, then APT. Apt rules, and while I’ve tried some more, I’m not afraid to say APT became my comfort zone.
tell me you have never run slackware witout telling me you have never run slackware.
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YSK/PSA: If you’re on Mint, Mint’s
aptis not Debian’saptand while they work similarly for common use cases, they diverge pretty quickly beyond that. Both are installed by default but Mint’s takes precedence.*Case in point: I was looking for which package - specifically one that was not yet installed - contains a certain command line tool and Mint’s
apt searchdoes not find it. Debian’s does. **On the other hand, Mint’s
apthas way more subcommands than the default one, which have been useful on occasion.* Mint’s is at
/usr/local/bin/aptand Debian’s is at/usr/bin/apt; The default user$PATHputs/usr/local/binbefore/usr/bin.** FWIW, the tool is/was
spongeand it’s in themoreutilspackage.Just use aptitude and be happy.
Disclaimer: while aptitude was originally designed to replicate the apt CLI interface, I have never run the search command through it. The TUI is marvelous, though.
Nowadays apt supports deleting dangling config files with
apt purge "~c"so no need to have aptitude for that feature. However,aptitude why <package>is pretty handy, and if you bump into dependency problems aptitude is quite capable of suggesting valid solutions.Disclaimer: I’ve never used aptitude’s TUI.
However, aptitude why <package> is pretty handy
Dude/dudesse, what the hell is this and why have I never heard of it? Sounds really useful on the manpage, I hope I remember it next time I need it. Thanks! 😊
I need to have aptitude because the TUI is boss. Even if it had less features than apt, I’d still prefer it. It’s nice to know it’s ahead of the curve, though.
I wonder why apt search on ubuntu and debian must be so bad: on mint each package has a single line and an easy letter telling you if the program is installed or not. On debian/ubuntu each program takes multiple lines, are all green and the only way to distinguish installed ones is to look for an (installed) string at the end of the first line. I like Mint’s apt version so much
I wonder how this is implemented in LMDE?
LMDE’s system is the same as regular Mint. I’ve been on LMDE for a few years but was on regular before that.
pacman is very fast and handy. The (in)famous
pacman -Syuhad you system completely up to date in record time.Sometimes I miss its speed and simplicity
zypper dupI never used opensuse but I know zypper from that one suse parody song.
paru entered the chat (doesn’t even need -Syu).
I love paru, but I think my favorite thing about it is that it isn’t yay.
Back when i started using Arch Yay was mega popular so I tried it. Its great, I loved it, shouldn’t be a surprise I love paru too. But Yay was always my only Go app, so I’d end up installing Golag, which is gigantic, just to use yay.
And here’s me with my
yay
For me, pacman is my comfort zone. Fast, reliable and easy to handle. But apt was it for a long time as well.
Exactly what I feel when I look or have to interact with anything that doesn’t have pacman 😅
I have to admit that I love the “pacman” pun quite a bit, which is nearly enough by itself to convince me to try it. One day. Maybe.
I can’t lie, that’s one of the reasons I moved over to CachyOS a few months back. It’s not the only reason, but it’s been my favourite distro for sure that I’ve tried. It’s the first one that really felt good to me.
It’s really a great distro, I’ve been using it fulltime on laptop and PC for over a year. Best one I’ve tried so far and for some reason it’s less buggy than EndeavourOS was for me. The only thing I don’t like about it is the name.
don’t let this type of bantering concern you
we are all just splitting hairs and knocking each other’s preferences when it is basically trivial. Like BMW and Mercedes drivers trying to one up who drives the superior German car
That’s easy Mercedes hasn’t made the superior car since the 80’s
I use eMacs by the way.
You seem to have misspelled vim.
This gif makes me irrationally angry.
I almost used this godzilla gif to illustrate my point instead. Maybe you’ll enjoy it more.
See, now why did you have to ruin these last few days of peace for me like that?
sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y
=
sudo dnf update -y
For most systems. If you can get apt you can get any of them.
The feds don’t want you to know this but you can just put “-U” at the end of
sudo apt upgradeand it updates before upgrading.what the fuck
I should really get around to RTFM.
If they are suppressing this, what else aren’t they telling us
Ifthey are suppressing thisYup. Must be. No “-U” found in
man apt.(Is there in
man apt-getthough. And it works on both.).And it does not show up in fish’s option completion options on either, either.
Near 20 years of having been using
apt-get(and later,apt), if I ever knew this, I forgot. Could have been doing just one command all this time.what else aren’t they telling us
vim has a built-in autocomplete you can use by pressing ctrl-n during interactive mode.
Don’t panic, apt+flatpak does everything very well, if all you need is a working computer. If you need a hobby, try nix or guix
Or for the ultimate hobby to dedicate to,
cave.(Prizes for any who even know which package manager and distro that’s from.)
apt today, apt tomorrow, apt forever
Apt together strong
Apt my beloved Ɛ>
I use xbps and Flatpak
Oh I so want to upvote that. Why did you have to go and ruin it by adding “and Flatpak”? n_n
Why, Flatpak is nice.
- bloat.
and, so i hear:
- slow to lauch things it installed
- permissions finicky
- non-integration with host system’s things
I can hear the SYYU sound it makes chasing them
Don’t use yy unless needed (very corner cases), the mirrors thank you :)
Tbh i never checked what this means, found it somewhere in the arch wiki when i was trying out arch
-y only syncs the repository metadata that’s needed, while -yy forces a full refresh. This is very rarely needed and requires quite a bit more bandwidth from the mirrors
Zypper
sudo zypper dupAll day every day.
Suse scares me.
Pacman will start the fight as soon as all packages are up to date, assuming no packages push updates in the time it takes to update (unlikely).
Thanks for the weekly reminder to update.
Why are they fighting? *shrug*
I’m guessing whoever made this uses arch btw.
After using dnf a bit:
- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
dnfquite literally ignores my input. dnf searchdid not show, by default, if a matching package is already installed.- Perfect perhaps for newbies, since dnf asks you trice.
yeah… arch is not leaving me anytime soon. The option to
makepkgfrom source a few custom packages is very neat.- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
