• don@lemm.ee
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    Ummm which 1337 distro we talking about, friend? There’s only one line.

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      The Linux, GNU/Linux, and BSD ecosystem in general. Since most applications are portable between distributions, an improvement made by one vendor will eventually propagate through everything. A new feature in KDE Plasma will appear both in EndeavourOS and Kubuntu. A security fix in OpenSSH (which is maintained by OpenBSD) will appear in literally all distributions and even Windows.

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        If you dunno how to switch that off in 3 clicks you should probably stay away from computers mate lol

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            Agreed, but to say an operating system is so much worse because 3 clicks when comparing overall functionality seems highly exaggerated. There is a reason most companies went from 7 to 10 and skipped 8. They are also going to 11. You could argue that enterprise OS’s are separate though, but really they are very similar, and the reason windows does so well in companies is because most users have it at home. If most users go to something else at home, (or simply stop using home computers with the switch to phones, tablets) then enterprise will change and slowly feed the prominent OS for work back to home use. It’s a catch 22. If the standard user has to use something 40 hours a week at work, when they come home that is what they will be used to. Also what their kids will become used to. But companies don’t like to change what people are used to, as it slows production, and costs a lot more in training.

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              Yup, reasonable points.

              But, it is 3 clicks for now, but it might not even be an option later on. Yea yea, doomer and tinfoilhats. :)

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          It’s not about whether you know how to turn it off; it’s about the fact that you have to do that at all. Also that you’ll have to do it again when Microsoft decides to reset the option behind your back. And pushes you away from changing it (default browser option). And ignores it (default browser option).

          The general feel of it all is incredibly frustrating.

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          Then what are these?

          I also remember seeing Candy Crush appear mysteriously without any prompting…

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            These are things I don’t have 🤷

            Do your installation properly (use English UK as your display language) and you don’t get any of those.

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            Yep, I configure it with English UK as the windows display language then adjust my settings based on my real needs.

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        And half of the settings moved from old control panel to a new crappy UI settings. At least commit and move all of them.

        I never find what I am looking for in there, without opening and closing a bunch of windows. I swear they regularly move location of some settings. Search function is pretty bad too.

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          Oh they want to, but i bet that shit’s so intertwined that removing old audio menu will make your display output stop working.

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    Win 10 was definitely an improvement over 8. I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp. Of course now 10 has been fully enshitified but it used to be good.

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      I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp

      How can you so batantly skip over Win 7? I’ve heard some argue 10 was better (it wasn’t) but that 7 >> XP was pretty undisputed.

      All three are shit compared to Linux, of course (Arch btw).

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      I actually loved 8, but only after they allowed the desktop experience to emulate what people were more used to. It was super innovative, though, for the time.

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      8 wasn’t nearly as bad as people think, and there were big improvements to the kernel that make it a definite improvement over 7.

      The problem for most people was the Start screen, which if you could get past, left you with what was a really good OS.

      Less ads and telemetry than 10, too.

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      I would agree that 10 was very good, but i could say similar things about windows 11 which in many ways performs better then 10.

      And yet its shortly after upgrading to 11 that i switched to linux to never look back.

      I think part of the logic in this meme is that it doesn’t matter how good the basic functions of the operating system are but what does is the design philosophy of the company. Loyalty in other systems decreased while Loyalty in windows gained.

      Microsoft force feeding edge, onedrive, burrying the local account option till after the install with Microsoft account.

      Randomly finding an update put a second weather widget on my taskbar that shows a different weather then the one in start. Taskbar icons that cant be closed, only hidden.

      These things don’t affect the OS functionality in a big deal but its like i was in an abusive relationship that i finally got out of. No matter how much sweet talking and promises to do better i am not going back.

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      The software I run a 8 figure business with only works in windows and macs. Not a specific title but the software for an entire industry. Linux is nice but still a novelty in my world.

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        What software is that? Is it something with a really heavy desktop client by nature (e.g CAD, video editing), or could it instead have a browser-based frontend?

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          Yes, CAD/CAM stuff like Catia, SW, mastercam, etc. It will take a lot of market share improvements to convince the developers to bother with a port. I’m no M$ fanboy, just no real production alternative.

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            So much grief caused by the widespread move from Unix to Windows in the industry sector. The Unix dwarves grew too greedy, their hardware platforms too niche… they unleashed the beast from the depths. An IBM-PC so powerful, it quashed their empires!

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            I reckon they might be using a lot of Windows specific libraries, making any porting a real pain in the ass. And when you’re in that space, unfortunately people just have to choose the OS that goes with their applications, not the other way around.

            It’s literally easier to start an entirely new CAD/CAM project and make that cross-platform. Unfortunately, that’s a 7 or 8 figure proposition to get started as well (probably 8 for a polished product that can pull proper market share).

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        Same. Until Linux is supported by scada systems it will only be a service, non-hmi OS, in my world.

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    Wasn’t 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?

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      Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.

      NT -> 2000 -> XP
      98 -> ME -> XP

      Though, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.

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      2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.

      But you’re right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.

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      OP wasn’t yet born in the late second millennium, they didn’t suffer through monthly reinstalls.

      /j!!

      But yes, for home users NT Windows came with XP.

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      Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the “last” Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.

      That’s not 100% true as Me used something called “Real mode DOS” which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc… and the Server variants).

      Win Me was the “Mistake Edition” because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn’t ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.

      And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:

      “System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem.”

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    Great meme post! This comment section is a scorching hot dumpster fire that beamed carcinogens directly into my retinas. Thanks I hate it.

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    People forget XP was pretty bad at first just like Windows 98 and like Windows 98 people became less critical after a bunch of major fixes. For Windows 98 this became Windows 98SE and for XP this became XP SP2 (and eventually 3).

    Both Vista and 7 had problems before they were fixed after awhile. The most common issue I can remember was UAC and everyone just told you to turn it off to install and use their software and games. There were also a bunch of breaking Win API stuff and a lot of software made for XP just didn’t work anymore in Vista+.

    People mainly just remember them after they were fixed, except for Vista because 7 came out fairly quickly (just 2 years later). Microsoft does not have a good track record for initial Windows releases but eventually everyone forgets and even some of the bad ones are remembered as the good ones.