Its very hard to beat the laptop form factor for productivity, but i wish there was more laptops out there with all the ports and hardware features i would like. too bad that some of them are only really available in obscure cyberdecks
I had one of the original netbooks (Asus EEEPC) back in the mid 2000s and I absolutely loved that thing. It was really great for bopping around college and travelling and such and had a killer battery life of like 8 or 10 hours or something like that. I used to run Win 7 dual booted with Ubuntu
I loved my EEEPC. I used while study abroad before smartphones were common. It was great to carry on me at all times. If I needed directions or to check on a website I would sit at a café / restaurant / bar to have a coffee / wine / beer to grab the wifi. It was great and small enough that I could carry it open if needed. I loved it. I thought it was the future until the iPad took over
Same had a little acer mini laptop in early 2000s I used it for notes, office apps, etc during college and between the battery life and how much more portable it was than the giant laptop I had at the time it was great, it ran BSD without any fuss too.
For awhile now I’ve been thinking about how nice it would be to have a something like a modern version of the Poqet PC.
The Poqet PC had a much nicer keyboard than the laptop in the article, and between the simplicity of its software and a very aggressive power management strategy (it actually paused the CPU between keystrokes) it could last for weeks to months on two AA batteries.
Imagine a modern device with the same design sensibilities. Instead of an LCD screen you could use e-ink. For both power efficiency, and because the e-ink wouldn’t be well suited to full motion video, the user interface could be text/keyboard based (though you could still have it display static images). Instead of the 8088 CPU you could use something like an ARM Cortex M0+, which would give you roughly the same amount of power as a 486 for less than 1/100th the wattage of the 8088. Instead of the AAs you could use sodium ion or lithium titanate cells for their wide temperature range and high cycle life (and although these chemistries have a lower energy density than lithium ion, they’d probably still give you more capacity than the AAs, especially if you used prismatic cells). With such a miniscule power consumption you could keep a device like that charged with a solar panel built into the case.
Such a device would have very little computing power compared to even a smartphone, but it could still be useful for a lot of things. Besides things like text editors or spreadsheets, you could replicate the functionality of the Wiki Reader and the Cybiko (imagine something like the Cybiko with LoRaWAN). You could maybe even keep a copy of Open Street Map on there, though I don’t know how computationally expensive parsing its data format and displaying a map segment is.
I don’t really see the point in low powered small devices like this, when something like an iPad/Galaxy Tab/eInk tablet is far better suited to the typical tasks you’d use them for.
The devices you listed are either locked down, or are low powered devices themselves. None of them have a keyboard which is essential for linux.
Being “locked down” is irrelevant for a device used to read and write on. All those devices are also significantly more powerful than this thing.
They all also have keyboard attachments readily available across all sizes and prices.
Linux isn’t at all necessary for the use cases the author talks about. Windows would be massively overkill.
we don’t do things because we need to. we do things because we can.
playing doom on a iPod or Zune is completely awful. so why does it exist? because someone willed it into existence. why? because they could.
Not really applicable here though. Can you use a terrible keyboard on an 8" screen? Absolutely. Can you use a much better keyboard on a much better screen the same size or smaller/bigger on preference by using a more common device? Also yes.
you’re looking at one aspect in a negative light.
on the flip side to your argument, maybe op travels by train 8 hours a day (4 there 4 back) and they only have one of those tiny little trays as a desk. I’d rather do something unusually instead of doing nothing boringly.
besides, wth have you done that makes your shitty opinion valid in this context?
I wrote a 16 page term paper on a Note 1 on a train while going back and forth to school. I also wrote some crappy android apps on the same phone for school. all on a crappy bluetooth keyboard and a 5.3inch screen. I think that gives me some idea of why such a thing exists.
want to know why I did it?
because:
- I could and so I did
- I had to because I was broke af in college and didn’t have a device at home that could do half the shit my phone could
- I had the time on the train so why not use it
so, to put it bluntly, I think it’s pretty fucking applicable here.
You have COMPLETELY misread my comments and missed the point.
My point was that there are plenty of other better devices suited to these tasks than a little obscure laptop with a crappy keyboard, such as an iPad or Android tablet or eink tablet, or even a phone. My argument wasn’t “hurr durr doing nothing would be better”.
My opinion is “valid in this context” because I’ve spent countless hours RDPd in to various machines and servers in trains, buses , passenger seats of cars, on the side of the road,etc fixing issues and making changes that saved literal millions of dollars at a time, and the last thing I’ve wanted in those situations was a worse device to do it on simply because it’s “different”.
Mobile Apps really are really lacking in terms of usability. There really is a use case for a real laptop experience
Aperture Science. We do what we must, because we can. For the good of all of us. Except the ones who are dead.
Science isn’t about “why” - it’s about “why not?” Why is so much of our science dangerous? Why not marry safe science if you love it so much? In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won’t hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired! Not you, test subject, you’re doing fine. Yes, you. Box. Your stuff. Out the front door. Parking lot. Car. Goodbye.
I fucking hate touch screens personally, and will always prefer a good physical keyboard. Don’t like mobile OSs either
There was a MacBook 12 inch like this that my business partner loved. It would last all day on a charge and he was building our app with it (Xcode and I think clang builds).
This was 10 years ago though.
It looks pretty cute. But holy shit the mouse on that thing looks awful to use.
I can’t imagine many people would find this a pleasant device to do any actual work on. Maybe writers on the go, as the author says, though with a dubious keyboard layout even that is questionable.
I haaaate typing on a laptop, layout not withstanding.
My work-issued T15 G2 has a large keyboard with a separate 10-key. It’s glorious.
It’s not. I carry one(mix 3s) as a pocket laptop for when Im going out but might need to do some work urgently and also as a lightweight backup in case something happens to my main laptop. For the former, it’s been great and saved me many times, but for the latter… this did once happen when I bonked the entire screen out. To say it was a painful week while waiting for the replacement would be an understatement. My back was killing me the entire time, and the thing is so underpowered it was easier to remote into that screenless pc rather than trying to launch stuff locally. And even with that, the thing whirred like crazy. It’s fine for a few minutes at a time but hearing it sll fay got annoying quick. And dont even get me started on the keyboard…
Docks are pretty great now.
I have a dock at home and at work. Single cable to plug in and get proper peripherals, 2 + 1 monitors, and power.
It’s nice to be able to undock and go sit in a Cafe to read emails or do whatever you don’t need full regalia for.
I can see this working on a smaller form factor.
Yeah, I’ve been pretty happy with my usb-c dock. Although randomly I stopped being able to use all the usb ports on it at the same time. I wonder if the cable is failing.
But it’s been super useful and I don’t mind buying a new one down the line.
If you have to carry a separate keyboard, it defeats the purpose of an 8" laptop…
Well, I carry a keyboard with my 17" laptop. Carrying a keyboard with a 8" laptop is that much easier.
Same here, Meko Blink or GK64 are my usuals for my big laptop
I used to travel a lot and didn’t need a full sized laptop but did need something more powerful than a phone, this would have been perfect. I might get one anyways for transferring files on the go from my cameras.
It arguable it’s not more powerful than a phone, but the keyboard would certainly be useful.
Phones are capable of a lot, but even something basic like a network ping is buried and they prefer you to install some crappy app with adverts and in app purchases, rather than let you use the PC in your pocket.
but even something basic like a network ping is buried
Termux on Android solves a lot of that. But the touchscreen keyboard is definitely a tricky issue.
You all know what would be the most awesome thing for 90% of people? Fully developed Linux Phones + Lapdocks.
- Just one device you carry all the time anyway
- Super powerful phones make more sense
- All data in one place without all sync stuff
- Battery for daaays when docked
- 2 displays
- Super portable setup
Samsung screwed it up with Dex and other companies didn’t want to create reasons not to buy more. Luckily devs working on projects like aftermarketOS do not give a fart about such things, and what’s currently possible and being worked on is really promising.
Imagine all you need for general computing and light gaming / editing on the go on any display or TV you come across would be a USB-C dock and perhaps a small keyboard & mouse combo. I want that future.
Samsung screwed it up with Dex
What do you mean by this? Dex is pretty awesome.
That would be awesome. With legit Debian VMs and desktop mode coming to Android, I would love to see some serious development progress in that area. But we all know the big tech firms are gonna fuck it all up and neuter it.
There have been several attempts at that and none succeeded.
Ubuntu Touch is somewhat there but also not.
The only thing that I would miss is contactless payments via my phone.
Depending on their success there might be at least one app that facilitates payments. If not anything else then at least GNU Taler once it gets adopted (obviously talking about not earlier than 2027 right now for any of this).
I remember my 9 inch “netbook.” That thing was dope.
I’m down to see this form factor make a comeback, personally.
ASUS still makes netbooks.
I bought a little $200 model a few years ago. It weighs 9 oz.
Unfortunately I think most of this audience (if there ever was any) have switched to tablets.
Yeah, my favourite ever laptop. Would love to see the netbook return. Cheap and cheerful. Chromebooks just not the same
Chromebooks suck the nut, netbooks all the way
I have an older Samsung chromebook loaded with coreboot UEFI firmware and boots Linux. Works…fine. It only has 16GB eMMC storage, so I think I will load a proper OS on a USB drive, hot glue it into place, and use that as the boot drive.
I’m strongly hoping that the framework 12’’ becomes widely successful so that the format keeps being relevant.
My 11" netbook is my favorite portable PC I own. A bit slow but rock solid and about as heavy as a tablet.
11 inch is a pretty nice form factor, too!
Still love my Acer Aspire v151, core i5. 11" is a great size, just big enough for a standard keyboard. I wish they would have updated models like that. A Ryzen 9 version would kick ass.
My eeePC still works. Installed a touch screen. The battery and power adapter is long gone but it keeps on chugging with a random 12V power supply.
I had one of those but the tiny keyboard used to drive me nuts it was literally unusable.
I had a 9" HP mini 2140– the keyboard was surprisingly good given its size.
It’s just a shame the build quality matched the price and they fell apart in short order.
Plus it was horrifically slow for everything. Even when new.
But can it play doom 3?
It can play 20 separate instances of Doom 2.
It can play doom 40?
Mad lad installed KDE Neon. Weird choice, but okay!
Uses the calamares installer, comes with all neccessary tools and, above all, is the safest bet if you need all KDE components to work properly. Makes enough sense to me but I’m biased since it’s my daily driver too 😅 It’s my first distro where genuinely so far “everything just works”. I’ve had a much better experience than with stuff like Mint or Pop or whatever else people usually recommend.
That keyboard layout gave me a stroke. I’d rather relocate Enter than the apostrophe. I suppose that could be remapped…
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