What do you think about this graphic?

It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

  • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    13 days ago

    It needs a lot more people and lines connecting to the centralize services, like 6+. You have 14 dudes in the fediverse, you should have a similar number of dudes in the traditional centralized social media things. You need to make it clear that every connection between two people goes through that central server. With only 3 or 4 it looks like it’s some kind of small community there, like you’re just saying “communities exist on Facebook” rather than “on Facebook everybody connects to one central Facebook service”. It would also be good to draw a black line around the edge of the bubble to indicate it’s a walled garden rather than an open system.

    For the Fediverse example, it would be good to have a slightly darker shaded bubble with people around their local fediverse instance. That would indicate that there are local communities, but that they can still communicate with all the other communities. And, maybe show that people can be part of different communities, show one person connected both to a mastodon instance and a Lemmy instance.

  • EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    13 days ago

    My criticism is that it largely ignores the primary advantage of Fediverse services (Decentralizing services that are designed to operate Centrally), while mostly explaining what I’ve always considered to be the most pointless feature (Cross Service posting).

    It’s a mildly neat feature if you want to centralize your entire social profile under one account (which is my security nightmare but you do you), but its not really fundamental to using federated services and its implementation can be inconsistent and confusing.

    Maybe have a bunch of “Lemmy” (or whatever) nodes arranged in a circle, the same color, with the same icon, and connected to each other through the middle of the circle (not connecting to the “fediverse”, although I guess you could have a transparent “Lemmy” super imposed over it) Then have the users connected to each node. Or something…I’m on a bench and just broadly visualizing it.

    The next trick is explaining the fault of centralized services in a graph.

    • Coelacanth@feddit.nuEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Mastodon and Lemmy have only limited interoperability. You can’t follow individual users on Lemmy, so most of it is one-way. Mastodon users can post to Lemmy communities by @-ing a specific community, and Lemmy users can then reply as normal and their replies will show up in the Mastodon users feed.

        • Snoopy@piefed.socialEnglish
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          13 days ago

          Yeah i do agree but sadjy, there is a reason some of us call it lemmyverse. We can see mastodon’s content.

          Since Lemmy doesn’t really support hashtag, the core of mastodon discoverability, I think switching to a new software is better.

          PieFed plan to support Mastodon this year. They already do it somewhat : you can follow PieFed user and a.gup.pe work well. You can also follow comment or post by setting up an alert.

          Currently, only mbin can do that.

          • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
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            13 days ago

            hashtags don’t work well on the Fediverse, a hashtag doesn’t have an owning instance which means there’s no way to push/pull the content by hashtag

            • Snoopy@piefed.socialEnglish
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              13 days ago

              On masto that helped me finding new people or thematic discussion. It may not work very well but it does work with boost. From what i was able to achieve with it, it’s an amazing tool 😊

              • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
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                13 days ago

                yea I mean it’s fun to use and works well if you’re on a large instance like mastodon.social, I use it even on a medium size instance

                but communities/groups work better on the fediverse, and maybe something in between the 2 could be created, some kind of federated version of hashtags

                • Snoopy@piefed.socialEnglish
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                  13 days ago

                  I’m not on mastodon social, i use it on

                  And hashtag work well. I have a list where i follow hashtag as if i had a community around this keyword.

                  If mastodon supported group, they would include lemmy, mbin, piefed support. We can remplace a.gup.pe

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        13 days ago

        That’s why I’m always a bit reluctant to have an infographic with Mastodon and Lemmy fully connected. Sure, it’s possible to interact, but it’s not ideal.

        Having another one with Lemmy, Mbin and Piefed servers could be better

  • IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Out of curiosity, has anyone found any more conservative Lemmy communities? I’m always worried that we’ll get folks splitting off of rumble to find purchase here. So far, all of the c/conservative communities have been deliciously consumed by memes, but more is more funni

  • PixelPilgrim@lemmings.worldEnglish
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    10 days ago

    It’s actually a graphic. I’d put a legend explaining some of the fediverse icons. And 2 sentences explaining that each fediverse icon communicated with other fediverse icons

  • teri@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    13 days ago

    In thie fesiverse graphic each person has exactly 1 connection to a fediverse thing. But in reality, there can be more. I guess in practice there are often more than one.

  • carrion0409@lemm.eeEnglish
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    12 days ago

    I just got here but I’ve noticed this platform is much nicer compared to things like reddit. No bots, no ai softcore porn ads. I’ll take the fediverse any day.

      • carrion0409@lemm.eeEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Some people in a left leaning subreddit told me it would be a good backup. Then just yesterday I got perma banned and the admins wouldn’t tell me why. So now I’m here

  • ElderReflections@fedia.io
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    13 days ago

    I’d say these fall into the same trap that most fediverse explainers fall into — too focused on implementation details, not the experience. The average FB user thinks they’re connecting to friends directly, not really considering the system architecture that powers it.

    I’d like a graphic that shows how centralised media blocks connections to others outside thier walled garden.

    • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.eeEnglish
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      13 days ago

      The implementation details matter tho, your instance admin actively makes federation decisions that affect the content. I like to explain joining an instance as pledging yourself to a warlord in medieval Japan

    • tfm@europe.pubOPEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Interesting. How would you put this into a picture?

      My friend (the average social media user) also didn’t seem too interested in it. I can imagine something interesting for the average user in a video but not in an image.

      • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        13 days ago

        I would add random instance names to the service icons, to show them that the websites are interconnected and not just the services

      • ElderReflections@fedia.io
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        13 days ago

        Largely similar to what you have, but abstracting away the metalware and reframing as human-centric.

        If the user is at the center, surrounded by more users, making primary & secondary connections, in an approximate circle shape. You can then show traditional social media owners as wedges of that circle, containing (owning) a fraction of the users & preventing connection to others, vs. Fedi that lets you connect to everyone.

    • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      13 days ago

      But surely the average Zuckerbook user is not so dumb as to miss what this graphic is describing - a crazy utopia where they could talk to people on TikTok and Xitter as well as Zuckerbook?

  • RainbowHedgehog@50501.chatEnglish
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    12 days ago

    This doesn’t explain things well. Lemmy is like a bunch of Reddits communicating with each other. The graphic makes it seem like there is just one Lemmy. Also, are Lemmy posts on Mastodon? Mastodon was largely empty last I checked.

    • Coelacanth@feddit.nuEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Mastodon users can subscribe to Lemmy communities I think, but it doesn’t really work very well. The Mastodon feed isn’t really made to support threaded content so all the Lemmy comments will fill and mess up your feed.

      • RainbowHedgehog@50501.chatEnglish
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        12 days ago

        I think the ATProtocol is better when it comes to connecting between different social media types. But I think ActivityPub makes better use of different servers.

        Though I think something like Lemmy is difficult for both because of how different it is from most other social media types.

  • Jack@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Maybe remove the fediverse in the middle, if I knew nothing about the fediverse it will seem like it is centralized?

  • Snoopy@piefed.socialEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Maybe you can show that we don’t alway federate with every instance with several cloud network.

    That’s also part of our freedom :)

    • tfm@europe.pubOPEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Good idea. But I think it’s better to explain that later, when people are already curious :)

  • JOMusic@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Love it! I’ve saved a copy, because I think it’ll make future explanations a lot easier. Thanks!