This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
It’s shocking to me just how stupid the average person is today. Computing catering to the lowest common denominator has made it too easy for idiots. Make computing difficult again; make people actually have to learn something. A tall order for the idiocracy of 2025.
Who volunteers to fix it?
If the miniscule effort of signing up for a platform keeps someone away, they probably wouldn’t be a good community member anyway.
Nothing, this seems like a good thing, I don’t want them here if they literally cannot even comprehend the concept of different servers, though somehow no one has this issue with discord even though it’s dogshit, almost as if they just yearn for the corporate boot.
OP, FYI I pinged you on this post but it was probably drown in the replies to your posts: https://lemm.ee/post/55244676
If you want to try out your approach (Photon as default, probably some communities hidden from the All feed), feel free to create a community dedicated to that project. You can probably promote it here and on a few other communities. The biggest challenge is probably going to find an admin wanting to give this a try.
I wanted to do something similar a months ago ( https://lemm.ee/post/52588852 ), but no admin was interested. Maybe you’ll have more luck.
Thank you I appreciate all the input, I won’t have the time or energy to drive something like that. I can get behind a cause like that and help push it, but won’t be able to lead.
I’d love a place where there is no politics, it might also be appealing to many and I think it should be the default.
Then you probably hit the main issue. Everyone’s time is limited.
There are aspects that could be better, sure. I think communities should be like sets of posts, subject to unions, conjuctions, and other set operations. Then you wouldnt have the issue of 5 versions of c/memes, they could be virtually joined into one memes community at the user level (and the user can filter out instances icon unities risers they don’t like of course). Moderation could be decoupled from communities and made a broader service that users choose to interact with, agreeing to a level of moderation comfortable for their experience.
But also, put me in the group that thinks lemmy should stay small. Corpo social has convinced us that a single big room with every idiot and literally their mother screaming into it is how the internet should be and it isn’t. We can go back to smaller, focused online communities that don’t openly invite everyone to come in and fight.
Centralization tendencies are all rooted in power and control. We need to fragment more.
I switched to Mbin but Lemmy has a variety of interfaces, not so sure this is necessarily a UX issue but an understanding issue.
That is a UX issue.
UX is like a Joke, if you need to explain it to someone, it’s a bad Joke/UX
Explain what exactly?
If you have to explain a joke it loses its meaning. If you have to explain UI, it loses its meaning.
It should be self explanatory.
People here say Lemmy’s UX is fine, and then give a paragraph of instructions a user should follow to get started. They should just be able to start scrolling immediately, and if they want to interact they should be asked to create an account, and a instance suggested.
Sorry, but that’s not really an answer: Explain what you are referring to exactly please?
They can start scrolling immediately on every instance that I’ve seen.
This comment better explains the issues we have: https://lemmy.ca/comment/14524858
Can’t say I agree with all of that and some of it is factually incorrect (Jeroba is the “official” app, for instance, and Interstellar is pretty damn good for another).
Much of what they complain about isn’t exactly UX per se either.
Someone advocating for bells and whistles will get eaten alive here. Too many people would rather read their feed on a git terminal. The pushback would be worse than the community drama!
I must be in the minority because I post so rarely that I don’t sign up when I ‘join’ the platform, I sign up when I want to post something. When I first wanted to post something, I just joined the instance it was going to be on. (Also because it’s queer, which I don’t tell you about for consistency). I also don’t care that much about not seeing what my instance has defederated. Or actually, not being able to comment on it, because I actually go on programming.dev sometimes, without having an account there. I don’t really get it. The fact that my Instance technically requires an application might actually be a UX hurdle, but otherwise, you just click Sign Up, enter email, name, and password, and that’s it, right? It could be a UX problem that you miss out on content you don’t see, but you also already see a load of content that you’re not going to miss out on. Tutorials on how x-instance moving works might be cool though, if they don’t already exist. Making them more visible might limit the defederation FOMO.
You can’t do anything because these excuses are window dressing and not the core of the issue. The core of the issue is that 99% of people are incredibly unwilling to change their habits or spend five minutes to wrap their heads around how things work. If the question of which server to join is too much, this kind of space isn’t for you.
No, having a full time job or a family is not an excuse to not learn how computers or the internet or networks in general work. You’ve had a lifetime to learn and are willfully ignorant. If you just give up and run away the moment you have to apply two braincells to understand a new concept, your cognition is fucked.
Im personally fine with basic competence and tech literacy to be a natural gate keeping the unwashed morons out. Lemmy is growing at a fine pace without catering to the lowest common denominators.
IMHO, the UX is bad, but the user base is also repellant. It’s further left than Reddit so most people who jump in bounce right off. That’s going to be difficult to change organically. Especially because most users respond to this with “good.” So there’s definitely no appetite to appeal to a wider audience. I predict Lemmy will become increasingly ideologically partisan and isolated.
I’m working on a lemmy app. Will be UI focused!
I don’t know, feddit.nl is pretty chill. I always see everything and barely anything objectable
Don’t over think it, the people who want to be here will be.
Why is “drama” on Lemmy always highly exaggerated by people?
“Endless wars of who federates with who”. What is that person even talking about and who the fuck would even care as a normal user?